Thread: mississippi conservatives be a puzzlin' lot...

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy Cappy!

me friend, i think yer sayin' that havin' the Federal Government redistribute wealth so that the impovershed have a reasonable quality 'o life be pragmatic....because thats exactly the kinda policy that conservative Mississippi hath espoused.

now...thats fine with me, but i'd have to say that its gettin' increasingly difficult fer me to grasp what the word "conservative" means any longer.

- MeadHallPirate

Ahoy there Pirate,

Personally I wouldn't be considerin' Mississippi to be all that conservative.

Having a few non-communists in public office doesn't necessarily make a state conservative.

Aye?

Capt'n Hairball

Originally Posted by mabus

No figuring needed. The fact that you refuse to clarify your own post though it doesn't contain any thesis at all says enough here.

Mississippi = 37% Black

The United States = 16% Black

Clear enough for you?

Now, This thread started about Mississippi being a Conservative State and recieving near double the money from the Federal Government it contributes to the Federal Government. Well, the Black population is about double the black population of the U.S. as a whole. Is there a connection there? Double the Black population = double the welfare?

Now, show your stupidity and call me a racist!

Originally Posted by natstew

Now, show your stupidity and call me a racist!

Some posters make any such accusations completely superfluous. I call people like you the "self-cancelling fringe" because the content and nature of your posts demean the partisan view you are trying to support. Thank you for posting and keep up the good work!

Originally Posted by Porras

I don't know which state is in the best shape, debt wise, but it's not ND. I know that my state is doing better. Not by much, but better.

EDIT: Having now looked, Wyoming is doing the best now.

ahoy Porras,

them folks in North Dakota be doin' pretty well, mate.

North Dakota's housin' market be defyin' national trends...real estate be okies dokies in ND.

unemployment thar be at under 4%...best in the nation.

ND's budget surplus be around 1 billion dollars.

one similarity be that Wyoming, like ND, be a "beneficiary state"...it takes more money in than it contributes, in Federal tax dollars.

rawr!

- MeadHallPirate

unemployment be 3.7%, lowest in the land.

Mississippi may be Republican in voting (for the most part) but from what the OP and thread is saying they are anything but conservative.

All one has to do is go look at the Tax Foundation study from 1981 - 2005 on federal taxes paid vs. federal spending received by state to find that every single year of the study Mississippi was in the top 4, half the time in the top 2. At no time during the entire study did Mississippi fall below $1.50 in federal spending received per dollar of tax paid, in 2005 hitting $2.02. Yet for the most part (there are several exceptions) Mississippi elected Republican Representatives and Senators all along the way. Also, during the same period generally voted Republican for President.

Clearly, the state is anything but conservative in terms of fiscal responsibility now at the point where the state gets double in spending from the federal level than it can produce in federal tax revenue from the state.

Sad for those claiming Mississippi is conservative.

The Tax Foundation - Tax Research Areas > Federal Taxes Paid vs. Spending Received by State

Originally Posted by Sluggo

Mississippi may be Republican in voting (for the most part) but from what the OP and thread is saying they are anything but conservative.

All one has to do is go look at the Tax Foundation study from 1981 - 2005 on federal taxes paid vs. federal spending received by state to find that every single year of the study Mississippi was in the top 4, half the time in the top 2. At no time during the entire study did Mississippi fall below $1.50 in federal spending received per dollar of tax paid, in 2005 hitting $2.02. Yet for the most part (there are several exceptions) Mississippi elected Republican Representatives and Senators all along the way. Also, during the same period generally voted Republican for President.

Clearly, the state is anything but conservative in terms of fiscal responsibility now at the point where the state gets double in spending from the federal level than it can produce in federal tax revenue from the state.

Sad for those claiming Mississippi is conservative.

The Tax Foundation - Tax Research Areas > Federal Taxes Paid vs. Spending Received by State

Yea, there actions certainly don't seem conservative, and yet they do claim to be the most conservative state:

Mississippi Rates as the Most Conservative U.S. State

On the flip side of things, the most liberal "state" is Washington, DC and they blow Mississippi out of the water, receiving some $5 back for every $1 paid.

Originally Posted by Speakeasy

Yea, there actions certainly don't seem conservative, and yet they do claim to be the most conservative state:

Mississippi Rates as the Most Conservative U.S. State

On the flip side of things, the most liberal "state" is Washington, DC and they blow Mississippi out of the water, receiving some $5 back for every $1 paid.

I have to admit and a little off topic, there were some odd results from the study mentioned. If you look over the PDF going through the entire 1981 - 2005 study, New Mexico ranked #1 every single year of the study without exception never falling below $1.80 in federal spending received per dollar of tax paid. Was not sure what to make of that one myself when looking over the state's political lean and voting pattern.

Originally Posted by Speakeasy

On the flip side of things, the most liberal "state" is Washington, DC and they blow Mississippi out of the water, receiving some $5 back for every $1 paid.

Mostly in the form of fed employee salaries and other expenditures like building maintenance and construction for day to day governing?

Originally Posted by timj219

Mostly in the form of fed employee salaries and other expenditures like building maintenance and construction for day to day governing?

That could very well be the case.

Originally Posted by Sluggo

I have to admit and a little off topic, there were some odd results from the study mentioned. If you look over the PDF going through the entire 1981 - 2005 study, New Mexico ranked #1 every single year of the study without exception never falling below $1.80 in federal spending received per dollar of tax paid. Was not sure what to make of that one myself when looking over the state's political lean and voting pattern.

Is it all that military testing and secret stuff the feds do out in the desert? Maybe it's a result of large areas of almost unpopulated land?

Originally Posted by timj219

Mostly in the form of fed employee salaries and other expenditures like building maintenance and construction for day to day governing?

ahoy Timj219,

aye matey, i was goin' to add that.

when the nation's capitol be considered a state, i don't see how federal monies wouldn't pour into that "state".

thats why, fer the purposes 'o me thread, i didn't include DC in the discussion.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by Sluggo

Mississippi may be Republican in voting (for the most part) but from what the OP and thread is saying they are anything but conservative.

All one has to do is go look at the Tax Foundation study from 1981 - 2005 on federal taxes paid vs. federal spending received by state to find that every single year of the study Mississippi was in the top 4, half the time in the top 2. At no time during the entire study did Mississippi fall below $1.50 in federal spending received per dollar of tax paid, in 2005 hitting $2.02. Yet for the most part (there are several exceptions) Mississippi elected Republican Representatives and Senators all along the way. Also, during the same period generally voted Republican for President.

Clearly, the state is anything but conservative in terms of fiscal responsibility now at the point where the state gets double in spending from the federal level than it can produce in federal tax revenue from the state.

Sad for those claiming Mississippi is conservative.

The Tax Foundation - Tax Research Areas > Federal Taxes Paid vs. Spending Received by State

What that link shows is the increase of pork barrel spending in Republican dominated states during the rise of the GOP.

Now if there is any spending that needs to be cut, it would most likely be this pork, so any truly sincere plan for deficit reduction, should drastically reduce federal spending in Mississippi, and most of the Red States....

Originally Posted by timj219

Is it all that military testing and secret stuff the feds do out in the desert? Maybe it's a result of large areas of almost unpopulated land?

Not sure, when looking over the detailed results (which the example year in the reports seem to be 2004 stats) it appears the majority (or a good 1/3rd) of the Federal Expenditures in the state of New Mexico fall under "Procurement" with the runner up being "Grants to State and Local Governments" and next being "Retirement and Disability." At best the results of the actual Federal spending in these states is vague with results buried in earmarks, federal programs for states (law enforcement, education, etc.,) and other various "categories" of expense to states where shit tends to get hidden. But it is clear that New Mexico, and for the OP Mississippi, takes in a great deal more in federal spending vs. the tax revenue they generate. And in Mississippi's case, claiming fiscal conservative lean all along the way.

The Tax Foundation - Federal Tax Burdens and Expenditures by State (example)