Policy on the use of "liar", "lies", "lying", etc.: - Page 5 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

Rakkasan · #61 (**permalink**) 11-20-2006

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Originally Posted by daisym

I noticed this thread

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/foru...ad.php?t=33499

was closed, however I feel that an issue raised there should be discussed.

There are a number of posters here who make indefensible accusatory statements about other posters - and Sam, because of her strong views, is often the focus of this. I consider myself quite tame in the nature of my posts, yet I too have had this kind of treatment from certain posters.
In response, I started doing the same in some instances, even though I know that all this does is polarise people and limit the discussion.

consequently, I prefer to put people on ignore. I have seen fourth graders with more maturity than some posters on this forum.

It IS NOT OK for people to make indefensible accusatory statements to other posters.

To do so lowers the tone of the forum. I think we deserve better than that.

If the moderators are not prepared to caution those who deliberately use this tactic, then the accused SHOULD have the right to call that person what they are. If thats a Liar - so be it. At least the response is honest.

"Perception is reality"

most on here PERCIEVE posters opinions based on their posts

case in point SAM percieves all people who support bush are loyalists
All people who dont are PATRIOTS

this in itself is a insult to some. Yet she bases this off her perception then gets upset when people counter accuse her of this or that

Perception , isnt lying it is opinion based off the track record of the poster in question

Everyone on this board in some form or fashion does this

ViolaLee · #62 (**permalink**) 11-20-2006

daisym I appreciate your thoughtfulness in making this thread. It's nice to know I'm understood, yet I'm sorry that some posters slandered you with anti-American insults.

It just seems off balance for the forum rules to allow a person to insult and slander another poster with lies and at the same time, not allow that person being slandered to state that they are being lied about.

I feel that if the moderators don't do anything about the slander, then the rule about pointing out the lie should go. For balance.

proUSA · #63 (**permalink**) 11-20-2006

New rule.....The forum will only accept the words: HAPPY, CHEERS, GREAT, LOVE, COMPASSION, BEAUTIFUL, SWEET, GENTLEMAN, LADY, ADULT, HONORABLE, KIND.

These will be the only words that the forum will accept, all others will be automatically removed from the post.........

Meridious · #64 (**permalink**) 11-20-2006

ROFL

If I had a dime for every time certain poster said things to me like: Wow, I didn't know you had no respect for our constitution" or "Well, unlike you, I care about the troops" or "Nice to see you don't care about the troops" or "Oh, so you don't care about the troops"

etc etc etc

I'd have enough money to take a Diamond Princess Cruise right now.

/chuckle (ok, well...maybe I'd have enough to go see 007)

But anyway, it is so hilarious seeing the one person who dishes out these types of comments on a daily basis playing the wounded duck.

I find it not only amusing, but absolutely typical...and not surprising at all (for redundancy effects)

Carry on.

Rakkasan · #65 (**permalink**) 11-20-2006

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Originally Posted by proUSA

New rule.....The forum will only accept the words: HAPPY, CHEERS, GREAT, LOVE, COMPASSION, BEAUTIFUL, SWEET, GENTLEMAN, LADY, ADULT, HONORABLE, KIND.

These will be the only words that the forum will accept, all others will be automatically removed from the post.........

bush bad

neocon

goosestepper

brownshirt

warmonger

warprofiteer

all are also on the good word lists

Rakkasan · #66 (**permalink**) 11-20-2006

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Originally Posted by Samantha

daisym I appreciate your thoughtfulness in making this thread. It's nice to know I'm understood, yet I'm sorry that some posters slandered you with anti-American insults.

It just seems off balance for the forum rules to allow a person to insult and slander another poster with lies and at the same time, not allow that person being slandered to state that they are being lied about.

I feel that if the moderators don't do anything about the slander, then the rule about pointing out the lie should go. For balance.

it does

so maybe we ALL should not slander

WE being you also

MattLarson · #67 (**permalink**) 11-20-2006

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Originally Posted by Samantha

It just seems off balance for the forum rules to allow a person to insult and slander another poster with lies and at the same time, not allow that person being slandered to state that they are being lied about.

Sam, there is absolutely nothing the forum rules that prevents you from responding to a claim that "you don't support the troops" by saying "Yes, I do".

What's the big deal, other than being prevented from calling the poster a name?

Much ado about nothing at all.

Matt

Dormouse · #68 (**permalink**) 11-20-2006

Insulting and replying to insults around the rules just takes a bit of creativity and effort.

ViolaLee · #69 (**permalink**) 11-20-2006

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Originally Posted by Mad_Michael

Insulting and replying to insults around the rules just takes a bit of creativity and effort.

That's the main issue I think....I don't like the fakey, sneaky way of insulting people. I think that in itself is dishonest. I'm blunt and upfront with my ideas and feelings. I notice that some of the people who accuse me of not respecting the military and my country are contributing more accusations right here in this thread. I can't say the person who says I dish out accusations on a daily bases is lying, even though what he says is a blatant lie.

I have a feeling the more aggressive asshole types on this board are driving away people with their slanderous accusations. Does that matter to anyone?

Dormouse · #70 (**permalink**) 11-20-2006

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Originally Posted by Samantha

That's the main issue I think....I don't like the fakey, sneaky way of insulting people. I think that in itself is dishonest. I'm blunt and upfront with my ideas and feelings.

Which is against the rules.

Gussy up your replies in a nice party dress and keep it polite while you rip them a new one - or turn your back and walk away. Only two reasonable choices here.

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Originally Posted by Samantha

I notice that some of the people who accuse me of no respecting the military and my country are contributing more accusations right here in this thread.

No surprise there. That type is consistent at least. Do as they say, not as they do. They are exempt from civility because their opinions are RIGHT and you are WRONG. Very simple rule that one is.

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Originally Posted by Samantha

I have a feeling the more aggressive asshole types on this board are driving away people with their slanderous accusations. Does that matter to anyone?

No doubt of it, though at least two former posters who were amongst the absolute worst of this type have been banned.

I raised the issue 18 months ago about how poorly this forum is managed and watched while Marc admitted he's never been to another political discussion forum before (but of course knows what will work best). At that point I just laughed and gave up caring and no longer take this site seriously. It is good for sport though.

I've got over 30,000 posts across 6 discussion forum memberships and I've seen all kinds of forums with different types of rules. The rule structure of any given forum dictates the type of posters they get. Lax rules means LOTS of insults and trolls and very little substantive discussion. Sites with closed memberships have very small numbers and excellent civil discussions.

We've been over all this stuff long ago. USPO is at heart, a no-rules type of forum and all the new rules aren't going to change this.

This is not a site for serious political discussions. It is a place for partisan warfare. Last one standing wins. Fun sport if you are into it.

Crystal · #71 (**permalink**) 11-20-2006

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Originally Posted by Samantha

That's the main issue I think....I don't like the fakey, sneaky way of insulting people. I think that in itself is dishonest. I'm blunt and upfront with my ideas and feelings. I notice that some of the people who accuse me of not respecting the military and my country are contributing more accusations right here in this thread. I can't say the person who says I dish out accusations on a daily bases is lying, even though what he says is a blatant lie.

I have a feeling the more aggressive asshole types on this board are driving away people with their slanderous accusations. Does that matter to anyone?

Sam, what is sneaky or fake about a response such as "I do respect the military and this is how - [fill in the blank with examples of how you respect the military]. Perhaps you demonstrate your respect in other ways and that's fine. I'm sure we do other things differently also, afterall, there is more than one way to skin a cat. I won't pass judgement on the way you show respect to others and I would appreciate the same level of courtesy. This may be one issue that we will have to agree to disagree on. I would also like to point out that this thread is not about me"?

O'Sullivan Bere · #72 (**permalink**) 11-20-2006

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Originally Posted by Samantha

That's the main issue I think....I don't like the fakey, sneaky way of insulting people. I think that in itself is dishonest. I'm blunt and upfront with my ideas and feelings. I notice that some of the people who accuse me of not respecting the military and my country are contributing more accusations right here in this thread. I can't say the person who says I dish out accusations on a daily bases is lying, even though what he says is a blatant lie.

I have a feeling the more aggressive asshole types on this board are driving away people with their slanderous accusations. Does that matter to anyone?

Sam, it would actually help if you stopped actually calling people assholes on the board in violation of the rules. It's not a good way to develop a good conversation as anyone can figure. Yet you complain when someone fires back at you for such comments.

And maybe tone down your often issued all-encompassing tar-and-brushes in your own posts being dished nearly everyday like this one hours ago as just one example:

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Who said the state police are Bush's people or that Bush is at fault? I love how you guys make shit up like that. Does anyone around here READ the actual print? Or is it too hard for you to debate the actual topic so you put your own dishonest spin on it instead?

Don't dish it if you can't take it. You attack people regularly this way yet complain when they reply in kind explaining that they feel your claims are untrue and your biases, etc. They have every right to get out of the ugly boxes you wish to put them in. Every person thinks for themselves. That they may agree more often than not with another is purely coincidental.

Broadbrushed digs at large categories of people, a common allegation in your posts, aren't true either because they are typecasting millions of people into a box of your allegations. Expect people to call you out on that as they try to get out of the box you wish to put them in.