A perfect way to cleanse USPOL

[Gort]

Look the type of posting Chas talks about happens on almost every board I have been on. It isn't unique to USPOL, in fact it is in my view symptematic of the fact that almost all of us are anonymous and do not know each other so there is no need to hold back.

I have my fun with posters that frankly can only make generalizations about liberals or conservatives. At the same time if there is a topic I am interested in and the people discussing it are reasonable I tend to be reasonable as well in that thread.

You are never going to get rid of people like Moonie, Thane, Iron Man Jack, Kinetic, etal. It seems to me there are only two alternatives. First ignore them. When I first came here I advocated ignoring people like these but apperantly that is not that popular a choice. The second alternative is simply to have some fun with them, call them on the BS. People like Thane will invariably respond with even more BS or simply not respond at all, either way in the end it's fun to push these guys buttons.

Finally as to Chas's comment about the only intelligent conversations happening in the private forums. Please don't insult our collective intelligence. Those of you that are in the private forums know what goes on, I will not repeat it here. But intelligent discussions, for the most part anyway, it is not. There are of course exceptions, just as there are exceptions on the main board, but lets not kid ourselves.

[gem]

Originally Posted by Gort

Look the type of posting Chas talks about happens on almost every board I have been on. It isn't unique to USPOL, in fact it is in my view symptematic of the fact that almost all of us are anonymous and do not know each other so there is no need to hold back.

I have my fun with posters that frankly can only make generalizations about liberals or conservatives. At the same time if there is a topic I am interested in and the people discussing it are reasonable I tend to be reasonable as well in that thread.

You are never going to get rid of people like Moonie, Thane, Iron Man Jack, Kinetic, etal. It seems to me there are only two alternatives. First ignore them. When I first came here I advocated ignoring people like these but apperantly that is not that popular a choice. The second alternative is simply to have some fun with them, call them on the BS. People like Thane will invariably respond with even more BS or simply not respond at all, either way in the end it's fun to push these guys buttons.

Finally as to Chas's comment about the only intelligent conversations happening in the private forums. Please don't insult our collective intelligence. Those of you that are in the private forums know what goes on, I will not repeat it here. But intelligent discussions, for the most part anyway, it is not. There are of course exceptions, just as there are exceptions on the main board, but lets not kid ourselves.

I think that is what I do that gets a lot of my antagonists riled about the way I post and/or respond, Gort- I do love to push the buttons of my antagonists and have a habit of frequently using their own words and logic to discredit their stances and beliefs. On that score I have no problem pleading "guilty as charged"!

As an example Drgoodtrips said this:

I see that you didn't bother to supply a different motivation, so I guess my 'assumption' is on par with your actions.

To which I replied:

I see you missed the second sentence of my first post here, Dr. Goodtrips.
Here it is again:

Then Drgoodtrips posted this:

Yes, I caught that. What I was trying to say delicately and I will now say more bluntly is that I don't buy that 'motivation'.

To which I would be tempted to reply, in my usual challenging and sarcastically blunt manner:

"First you said that, then you said this. Tell me, Drgoodtrips, which one is it?"

I believe it is just that manner of posting that certain posters find "offensive" if for no other reason than it is a direct challenge to their rationalizations and beliefs. I can understand why they might find it so "offensive". It must be incredibly aggravating to have one's own words "crudely" thrown back in their faces in a manner that totally discredits what they've just stated in a vain attempt to discredit another point of view- especially a liberal point of view.

Gem





Gem

[proUSA]

Well I for one have done what Chassisman is talking about, but I soon learned that even if you try to have a good discussion, the thread soon turns to crap, such as this one did.

While I enjoy having a good scrap with fellow posters and have on occasion purposely posted things to rev them up, it just seems impossible to discuss things without the insults and such to start coming out, so I figured why bother trying.

[moon]

Gort;

You are never going to get rid of people like Moonie,

Strange. I thought this was a thread about getting rid of the Gorts.

[gem]

Originally Posted by moon

Gort;


Strange. I thought this was a thread about getting rid of the Gorts.

Or Gems!

Gem

[chassisman]

Originally Posted by gem

I posted this response to Hank in the "Gerald Ford is Dead" thread in the "Breaking News" section of this forum.

What I'm wondering is if this post is the type of post Chassisman is talking about:



What hasn't escaped me is noticing the location of Chassisman- his location is described as the Bible Belt. I also noticed the general flavor of the siglines of those that have posted in this thread thus far that ostensibly support Chassisman's suggestions, and they could not be described as something that favors a "liberal" point of view.
Could it be that what Chassisman is really offended about is the simple fact that the realities of the real world are increasingly supporting and validating the beliefs and opinions of the liberals and the anti- Bush&Co, anti- war and the anti- Fundamentalist Christian crowd and that it is that fact that Chassisman really finds so offensive?

Seems to me what Chassisman really wants is a forum version of "ethnic cleansing".
That's how it comes across to me anyway.

Your thoughts?

Gem

Actually Gem , what offends me are people who cannot stay on topic, refrain from slinging insults when they run out of argument or facts, or continually post cut-n-paste partisan crap. I'm hoping that helps to clear things up as far as I go.

[gem]

Tell me, Chassisman, how are actual statements from the late President Ford, when used to rebut a stance of a poster that held Ford in such high esteem, "partisan crap"?

Looks to me like you're caught in the realm of "sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander"- or the pot calling the kettle black. Instead of just focusing on the liberals here why not include, as Noahath indicated, the conservatives on this board who are equally guilty- if not more so- as the liberals in engaging in such tactics?

Gem

[gem]

Post #7 in this thread by Thane is a perfect example of what I'm talking about, Chassisman. It is also unfortunately true that what goes around tends to come back around. Or, as we say in the crowd I run with.."Whenever we step on the toes of others we invite retaliation in kind".

I'll apologize to Drgoodtrips in advance for my two trite aphorisms in this post! :-)

Gem

[Zedrow]

Originally Posted by gem

~SNIP~
Instead of just focusing on the liberals here why not include, as Noahath indicated, the conservatives on this board who are equally guilty- if not more so- as the liberals in engaging in such tactics?

Gem

I re-read the OP in case I missed it but I can't see anywhere that Chassisman limited it to only Liberals. Is there some double-entente thing I am missing?

As to the sig lines you mentioned, I looked at his "Let people who see terrorism as a means to reach their goals die by the same violence they embrace." and I would agree with him 100%. Does that make me a Conservative? I think most here would disagree with you.

[Rakkasan]

Originally Posted by proUSA

Well I for one have done what Chassisman is talking about, but I soon learned that even if you try to have a good discussion, the thread soon turns to crap, such as this one did.

While I enjoy having a good scrap with fellow posters and have on occasion purposely posted things to rev them up, it just seems impossible to discuss things without the insults and such to start coming out, so I figured why bother trying.

ya i was gonna respond on how this thread had turned ugly quick

too damn funny

[gem]

Originally Posted by Zedrow

I re-read the OP in case I missed it but I can't see anywhere that Chassisman limited it to only Liberals. Is there some double-entente thing I am missing?

As to the sig lines you mentioned, I looked at his "Let people who see terrorism as a means to reach their goals die by the same violence they embrace." and I would agree with him 100%. Does that make me a Conservative? I think most here would disagree with you.

I actually had Thane in mind when I wrote that, which is why I referred Chassisman to post #7.

Also, in reference to the sigline you have to admit that it wouldn't be one you'd expect a liberal to write now, would you?

Gem

[chassisman]

Originally Posted by gem

Tell me, Chassisman, how are actual statements from the late President Ford, when used to rebut a stance of a poster that held Ford in such high esteem, "partisan crap"?

Looks to me like you're caught in the realm of "sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander"- or the pot calling the kettle black. Instead of just focusing on the liberals here why not include, as Noahath indicated, the conservatives on this board who are equally guilty- if not more so- as the liberals in engaging in such tactics?

Gem

Gem, you make a perfect example for me to use in this thread. First off, look at the assumptions you made about me based on my location and my sig line. Tell us all, what do you actually know about me? Then look at the assumption that you made thinking that I was refering to your post as the "partisan crap" that I refered to. If I have a comment to make about one of your posts, I will address it as such.
I think if you took a few moments to mull all this over, you might arrive at the conclusion that my original post was not directed at at particular members posts or posting style, but was commentary on what I think USPOL has become. My opinion was formed based on my length of membership here.
Your good for the goose-gander things doesn't quite pass the acid test. I said "partisan crap", nowhere did I say liberal. I think you need to read the OP again.
If I was to make instant assumptions about you (as you have me) I would assume that you are a person who rushes to assumptions.

[Ironman Jack]

Originally Posted by gem

Reply to both Tim and Thane:

So what you are both essentially saying is that what you find so offensive are things like my quoting the late Gerald Fords own words and effectively using them as a rebuttal- and a powerful rebuttal at that- to Hanks point of view?

My friend Jane read what I quoted, shook her head and said I write like a frustrated lawyer, LOL! And yet the part of that post that she considered a "more reasonable" part is the part that Thane and Tim chose to focus on and quoted as being "offensive"!

When a poster like Thane makes this kind of statement...



... what he is doing is essentially saying that the words of Gerald Ford that I quoted to as a rebuttal to Hanks point of view are "offensive", and depict "arrogance" are "lies", and "A perfect... example... of liberal underhanded hateful diatribe.

Contrary to the views of Thane I have listened to, and considered, the points of views that Thane says I “dismiss". It is true that, after listening to such points of view and standing those points of view up against the actual realities we see today in the world I have indeed "dismissed" them- as apparently had Gerald Ford when he was still alive. You may call it "arrogance" if you wish. I call it having the ability and the willingness to face reality as it stands and having the courage to state my own convictions.
The mere fact that Thane and Tim chose to quote the part of my post that they did, while ignoring my jibe to Hank about how'd he'd like his "crow" prepared is a clear indication of what it actually is that you folks find so 'offensive" about my posts.

I rest my case!!!

Gem

I am probably one of those people GEM, as I don't mince my words! I think the Liberal way of having partners is idiotic, I don't care for their cowardly treatment of the POTUS and our Troops and all of their hypocritical BS!

They seem to forget all the MAJOR wars involving America, were Democrat led, back when some Dems were at least men!!

Now I know little boys and girls can't handle meaningful Conversations, so this thread was born! We need to remember this is Alternate life not your main reason for existence, and I doubt they had Harvard Debate in mind either, so Sucking it up are at times, is the best you get?

Mods don't exist?? Hell they spend a lot of time to see if I am going to insult some wimp, and then nail me, so yeah they are out there!

[3.14]

Originally Posted by gem

Tell me, Chassisman, how are actual statements from the late President Ford, when used to rebut a stance of a poster that held Ford in such high esteem, "partisan crap"?

Looks to me like you're caught in the realm of "sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander"- or the pot calling the kettle black. Instead of just focusing on the liberals here why not include, as Noahath indicated, the conservatives on this board who are equally guilty- if not more so- as the liberals in engaging in such tactics?

Gem

Gem, I fully agree with what you are saying.

What is so funny is that a lot of conservatives on here merrily insult, ridicule and demean us (liberals) for their posts, while they themselves can't provide any evidence to back up their claims. Talk abou the pot calling the kettle black - all the Iraq threads and denial of Bush-wrongdoing is just one example.

And now, instead of live and let live - they want liberals to stop posting their views. Typical - it reminds me of this statement "your either with us, or against us" made by a certain illuminary we all know.

[Tim]

Originally Posted by Rahul

Gem, I fully agree with what you are saying.

What is so funny is that a lot of conservatives on here merrily insult, ridicule and demean us (liberals) for their posts, while they themselves can't provide any evidence to back up their claims. Talk abou the pot calling the kettle black - all the Iraq threads and denial of Bush-wrongdoing is just one example.

And now, instead of live and let live - they want liberals to stop posting their views. Typical - it reminds me of this statement "your either with us, or against us" made by a certain illuminary we all know.

Somehow you are not very convincing as a victim. Try another tactic.