Slur-mongering

[pramjockey]

Originally Posted by Mark_Twain

I've read enough to know that what I posted is absolutely true. Earlier in this thread you stated that, according to the Bible, anyone who doesn't believe as you is going to hell. How is that inconsistent with the last paragraph of my previous post?

My mother is a born-again. I'm sure she prays for me often. But she's respectful enough to know better than to ever trot out some inane BS from the Bible as if it had any sort of authority whatsover. The Bible is a fraud, pure and simple. If you'd like me to take the time to walk you through its myriad problems (as well as its history), you need look no further than my very first post on this website. However, I've a feeling your brain has been laundered, folded, and tucked away and is thus not open to any actual debate as to the facts about Biblical history and why it says some of the (untrue) things it asserts.

If I'm wrong, I'll apologize and start a new thread where we can debate the veracity of the Bible.

I think you're wrong to attack her beliefs like you have. I don't recall Mrs. M. ever using her religious beliefs to say anything negative about anyone else. As far as I've seen, the only time she even discusses her religion is if she's been directly asked a question.

I understand your feelings against certain individuals who call themselves "Christian." I don't think that Mrs. M. has ever demonstrated behavior that warrants her placement in that category.

[Pogo]

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

This is exactly what I'm talking about.
I do believe in Jesus and He says that the only way to Heaven is through Him. However, if you choose not to belief it, I can respect that and you will never catch me ridiculing you for it. Too bad you won't show the same courtesy.

Seems to me that when it's claimed that Jesus is an absolute authority, that implies that he's God, as there can't be more than one absolute authority, yet at the same time it's claimed that he's "the son of God". Seems rather inconsistent to me.

[pramjockey]

Originally Posted by Pogo

Seems to me that when it's claimed that Jesus is an absolute authority, that implies that he's God, as there can't be more than one absolute authority, yet at the same time it's claimed that he's "the son of God". Seems rather inconsistent to me.

Who cares?

What business is it of yours what another person believes, or doesn't believe?

[Rakkasan]

Originally Posted by Lazarus

Moon, who I have not yet engaged in any back-and-forth with, seems to be correct in his assertions.

As a disinterested viewer, I see many rules violations that go unaddressed.
And unfortunately, most of these pissing contests are begun by rightward-leaning guests of this site.
And , like in football, the retaliatory strike is what is flagged.

Moon has taken a lot of shit for his views. But he is not alone. The left as a whole has been called just about every name in the book.

Taking a cursory view at War and Peace posts, I found these-


These comments were addressed at fellow Americans.
Yet they stand unchallenged by the powers that be.
None were aimed in my direction, and I doubt that I will ever report any (im)poster who thinks he has the capacity to insult me. But different people have different tolerance levels. Day after day of this shit must get to some people.

Regardless of ones' geographical location, these unfounded accusations are uncalled for.

All of the petulant toddlers should receive time-outs, not just one half of the problem.
Frankly, that does not seem to be occurring in any consistant manner.

feel better??? id search for left leaning cutdowns and go through some of the crap you have said to me

but i wouldnt want to act like a toddler

[Pogo]

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Who cares?

What business is it of yours what another person believes, or doesn't believe?

I'd say it's a matter of whether or not a person gives a fuck that untold millions have lost their lives and/or suffered horribly on account of people taking religious dogma at face value.

[Mark_Twain]

Originally Posted by pramjockey

I think you're wrong to attack her beliefs like you have. I don't recall Mrs. M. ever using her religious beliefs to say anything negative about anyone else. As far as I've seen, the only time she even discusses her religion is if she's been directly asked a question.

I understand your feelings against certain individuals who call themselves "Christian." I don't think that Mrs. M. has ever demonstrated behavior that warrants her placement in that category.

See my post #56 & Pogo's post #62. I didn't say that Mrs. M has outright stated negative things about other's assertions. What I have stated is that she beats around the bush in a similar fashion. In this very thread she has stated that there's only one path to heaven & all others who have heard of the Biblical God but rejected it as poppycock are bound for hell. That is arrogant. And dangerous when used by such believers to influence and reshape U.S. domestic & foreign policy. And thus why I lump her in the same category as other so-called Christians who can see (to borrow a well-worn parable) the splinter in another's eye but not the log in their own.

[pramjockey]

Originally Posted by Pogo

I'd say it's a matter of whether or not a person gives a fuck that untold millions have lost their lives and/or suffered horribly on account of people taking religious dogma at face value.

But that doesn't really answer the question, now does it?

There have been millions who have died because of all sorts of dogma. Some has been religion, some hasn't. Blame those who are actually responsible and attack those who may try such things again. To blanket religion or Christianity as responsible is not productive.

[pramjockey]

Originally Posted by Mark_Twain

See my post #56 & Pogo's post #62. I didn't say that Mrs. M has outright stated negative things about other's assertions. What I have stated is that she beats around the bush in a similar fashion. In this very thread she has stated that there's only one path to heaven & all others who have heard of the Biblical God but rejected it as poppycock are bound for hell. That is arrogant. And dangerous when used by such believers to influence and reshape U.S. domestic & foreign policy. And thus why I lump her in the same category as other so-called Christians who can see (to borrow a well-worn parable) the splinter in another's eye but not the log in their own.

I think I understand where you're coming from. Believe me, my disdain for those who use their religion to oppress others is not second to yours. However, I fear trying to blanket all members of any religion with the same accusations, for it will not lead to understanding, and may very well trigger the very thing we're trying to prevent.

[Mark_Twain]

Originally Posted by pramjockey

I think I understand where you're coming from. Believe me, my disdain for those who use their religion to oppress others is not second to yours. However, I fear trying to blanket all members of any religion with the same accusations, for it will not lead to understanding, and may very well trigger the very thing we're trying to prevent.

Fair enough.

Mrs. M, you have my apologies if my posts in any way upset you.

[proUSA]

Originally Posted by moon

Why are moderators so slow to act in instances of public libel ? Surely, these are against forum rules, just as 'insults', to state but one, but even multiple complaints can, sometimes, result in no action.

The moderation is fair, if members pursue their complaints beyond what would be reasonably expected, but leaving libel in posts, even after complaints have been lodged, reflects badly on its commitment, not to mention its impartiality.


Everybody accepts a little 'disguised' roughing-up. Heckling is an accepted part of public speaking, or should be, but blatant libel stinks. Libel 'lowers the quality of debate for everyone'.

Where's the action ?

Personally, why can't people just be adults and stop the ball sucking?
Sarcastic remarks and name calling can happen slyly and straight forwardness. slyly is by the rules while straight out name calling isn't.....IMO, we should be adults and just deal with it.
I have broad enough shoulders to handle people calling me names as fuck-face or what not, so whats the big deal?

[proUSA]

Originally Posted by Rakkasan

andby the look of this thread sure seem to me that someone need some tissue,

Good one....Brought a tear to my eye.

[proUSA]

Originally Posted by pramjockey

I have to disagree with you, Mrs. M. While there have been a couple particularly nasty left-wing people (gone now) on this site, the vast majority of the unpleasantness comes from the right.

And I would have to disagree with ya.

[proUSA]

Originally Posted by Mark_Twain

And yet here I am posting again and again the problems with your faith. The primary problem is that it is disrespectul to ALL OTHERS. How can you say you respect ANYONE save your own brethren?

So why don't you just drop it.....You have one opinion and Mrs. M has another, how the heck cares? You both discussed it and in the end neither has changed their thoughts. So end it.

[Lazarus]

Originally Posted by Rakkasan

feel better??? id search for left leaning cutdowns and go through some of the crap you have said to me

but i wouldnt want to act like a toddler

You recognized your handywork, did ya?

What, you took me off " ignore "?
Did your paranoid delusions of me attempting to spread a computer virus to you - and all of USPOL - suddenly vanish?

Unfortunately, I think yours is not an act.
Be my guest, resurrect that thread. Then all will see that you began with the insults. When I returned fire, you ran away; spreading misinformation in your path.

Do yourself a favor; put me back on ignore. I wouldn't want you to get your feelings hurt over some imagined slight and have you go running to your favorite moderator for validation.

[pramjockey]

Originally Posted by proUSA

And I would have to disagree with ya.

I'm OK with that. Kind of the whole point here, isn't it?