Slur-mongering

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by moon

When it happens to you personally it's libel and libel is against the rules.
Have you actually read the thread ? I posted the relevant rules up.

I have, my point wasn't about the rules. It was the case that you don't like it when it happens do you, do you? Do you think Republicans like to read on threads that all of us are apparent jew worshipping zionists who believe in our blood dying for Iraqi oil? Even if any of it were true its still generalisation at best and itsulting at worst, i guess you know what it feels like now.

[moon]

Politics and libel are not synonymous, traveler. You can go into the Senate and tell a Senator, with impunity, that he is directly responsible for a hundred thousand deaths and he will have no recourse except to deny it and try to prove you wrong.

But try telling him he's a cocksucker..................


(please, no lectures on Senate protocol. It's just a simple analogy )


Thorhammer;

what happens when someone takes one of those slurs personally? Much like your slurs against the US military. I was a member, so I tend to take many slurs made against the military as a personal slur against me.

Do me a favour, Thorhammer, and ask your question directly of a moderator. After all, it's them that should be providing answers here, not me.

[Traveler]

A fairly accurate one at that Moon...but that's just free speech and every American's constitutional right to call his senator an asshole, which generally his Senator happens to be.

But my point was you print up various things here which are libel...you called me a self confessed islamaphobe and later when i asked you when i said that you said you made it up. I don't take any issue with that but you see what i mean...not so nice is it?

[ThorHammer]

Originally Posted by moon

Do me a favour, Thorhammer, and ask your question directly of a moderator. After all, it's them that should be providing answers here, not me.

For me, I don't feel I need to take it that far. I am a man and can't fight my own battles. Besides, my whole point was to show how even you fling slurs around that are taken personally.

[moon]

But my point was you print up various things here which are libel...you called me a self confessed islamaphobe and later when i asked you when i said that you said you made it up. I don't take any issue with that but you see what i mean...not so nice is it?

I didn't actually 'make it up' as an intended libel , I said that I'd 'made it up' to illustrate to you how it felt to have people invent stuff and hang it on you. You're NOT a self-confessed Islamophobe, I agree, and I wasn't talking to anybody except you during that conversation.

On the other hand, I've had people here telling third parties that I'm an 'antisemite'. I've complained several times, sometimes the libel is removed, sometimes it ain't. It's to find out why it ain't that I started the thread.

If you've got any complaints to make about my posts, traveler, you go right ahead.

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by moon

I didn't actually 'make it up' as an intended libel , I said that I'd 'made it up' to illustrate to you how it felt to have people invent stuff and hang it on you. You're NOT a self-confessed Islamophobe, I agree, and I wasn't talking to anybody except you during that conversation.

So you were trying to point out to me what i am to you now then?

Originally Posted by moon

If you've got any complaints to make about my posts, traveler, you go right ahead.

No no like i've said before i find it quite fun jesting about with you...the only thing that has ever gotten to me is whe you sparred with Mrs. M.

[moon]

Thorhammer;

For me, I don't feel I need to take it that far. I am a man and can't fight my own battles. Besides, my whole point was to show how even you fling slurs around that are taken personally.

Yeah, well you try fighting them with one arm strapped and a mutt on your leg and you'll get some idea of what I'm up against.

'Taking them personally' isn't the same as having them directed at you. I take a lot of things 'personally' but they aren't libel.

traveler;

No no like i've said before i find it quite fun jesting about with you...the only thing that has ever gotten to me is whe you sparred with Mrs. M.

That would be the 101st Airborne row. I would still disband it. Mrs. M made her case, I ain't ever inviting her over for Christmas, but neither of us libeled the other. It's against the rules.

[MattLarson]

Originally Posted by moon

Well, it's a gross discourtesy to make a false claim and then log out, wouldn't you say ?

Since I made no false claim, there's no issue.

You've dumped several slurs just in this thread. Your complaints ring hollow.

Matt

[AjaxPress]

Rakkasan has frequently called me a terrorist sympathizer. I don't appreciate the comments, and my initial response was to put him on ignore. Then I realized that many veterans suffer from untreated PTSD.

[pramjockey]

Originally Posted by moon

No, I haven't. If you think I have you'd better look again.

Then you can apologise and move on.

Yes you have. My comments were far from sycophantic. YOU lack an ability to examine your own behavior objectively and to admit when you're wrong.

[moon]

Your complaints ring hollow.

Matt

Yes, I KNOW they 'ring hollow', Larson , and that's why there's this thread on it. One gets a tad cheesed off pressing the ol' 'report post' button and hearing nothing further except the possibility of laughing moderators at the other end.

Somebody has to define what is classed as an 'insult' to a member in accordance with site rules and it's clear from the entries in this discussion that at least two moderators have disqualified themselves from making a rational decision.

In my case, I am being libeled by being referred to as an 'antisemite' by certain members and as a 'jew-hater' by a moderator, of all people. What I want to hear is that both are classed as insulting, that the persons posting such libel are censured, in the same way that I was censured for telling somebody that they were 'pathetic', and that the libel will be removed. There is an appalling lack of consistency and a clique mentality at work.

This thread shouldn't have grown to this length without a response to those concerns.

[Mark_Twain]

Originally Posted by moon

Only a complete and utter moron would draw such a conclusion.

I'd be more inclined to think that you had a tiny pecker.

Though laugh-out-loud funny, this might be an example of a borderline slur.

[moon]

Yes, but only for Fuzzy the Fatuous Ferret.

Glad you got a laugh.

[O'Sullivan Bere]

Originally Posted by moon

I didn't actually 'make it up' as an intended libel , I said that I'd 'made it up' to illustrate to you how it felt to have people invent stuff and hang it on you. You're NOT a self-confessed Islamophobe, I agree, and I wasn't talking to anybody except you during that conversation.

On the other hand, I've had people here telling third parties that I'm an 'antisemite'. I've complained several times, sometimes the libel is removed, sometimes it ain't. It's to find out why it ain't that I started the thread.

If you've got any complaints to make about my posts, traveler, you go right ahead.

When you have reported posts on this, I have at time allowed the posts or removed them depending on whether I feel the point of the post is fair comment or I feel that the conversation tone is moving into baiting and fighting.

Someone simply reading your threads and posts--which are undeniably and fervently pro-Palestinian from my reading of them--may lead some to conclude that your opinions cross the line into anti-Semitism. Someone stating their opinion that you are anti-Semitic based upon your posts and threads is not libellous as a matter of law for at least three commonly accepted legal theories that I will quote here, to wit:

1) Statements made in a good faith and reasonable belief that they were true are generally treated the same as true statements; however, the court may inquire into the reasonableness of the belief. The degree of care expected will vary with the nature of the defendant: an ordinary person might safely rely on a single newspaper report, while the newspaper would be expected to carefully check multiple sources.

2) Opinion is a defense recognized in nearly every jurisdiction. If the allegedly defamatory assertion is an expression of opinion rather than a statement of fact, defamation claims usually cannot be brought because opinions are inherently not falsifiable. However, some jurisdictions decline to recognize any legal distinction between fact and opinion. The United States Supreme Court, in particular, has ruled that the First Amendment does not require recognition of an opinion privilege.

3) Fair comment on a matter of public interest, statements made with an honest belief in their truth on a matter of public interest (official acts) are defenses to a defamation claim, even if such arguments are logically unsound; if a reasonable person could honestly entertain such an opinion, the statement is protected.

(quotation redacted and numerically reordered for relevancy)

Slander and libel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[O'Sullivan Bere]

Originally Posted by daisym

a quick comment if I may.

I think Moon raises a valid point.

I have been quite disappointed at the way moderators on this forum accept that it is OK to label Moon a jew hater, anti semite, terrorist sympathiser etc, when there is no evidence to support any of these allegations.

when I glanced through this thread I even see a moderator unashamedly saying that he doesn't bother reading Moon's posts, yet still seems to believe that he somehow 'knows' that Moon is anti semitic.

I have seen a lot of evidence that Moon posts information about what is happening to Palestinians, which is probably a point of view you rarely get in the US. I think it is valid that Moon posts these threads. There are too many threads on this forum started by various others that repeatedly promote anti Palestinian points of view and Moon does a service by starting threads that at least go some way to counterbalancing this bias.

In actual fact, anyone claiming Moon is anti semitic either doesn't read his posts, or hasn't got a clue what anti semitism really is.

I commend Moon for standing up. Its time more of us took a stand against the insults that are hurled at people who don't have the same world view as those who have nothing to do all day but insult other posters.

In the bolded part you are doing exactly the same thing, just for the flip side of the subject matter. What you are doing on all of the post is offering your perceptions and opinions of what you view are the proper political conclusions and decisions for that subject matter and opining on others' views as being 'anti-Palestinian' and 'biased,' and what 'anti-semitism' is and is not, etc. Objectively, you, moon and your ideological opponents on that subject matter are entitled to your respective opinions and to raise them here and they are not libellous.