why is there suddenly a plethora of racist threads?

[Viv]

Originally Posted by Frank

The funny part is people are still responding to Brett's posts even after he has been banned; like it or not folks these threads are popular around here.

Lets face it folks; It gives the sanctimonious phonies who would likely sell their black neighbours (assuming they have any) to a slave owner for the right price a platform to show the forum how tolerant they are with smears, attacks and self-righteous indignant hate.

Even this thread is a laughable attempt by a self-righteous poster who seems to view herself as a living saint fit for pre-demise canonisation to show the forum how tolerant she is by complaining about the moderators permitting evil 'racists' to promote 'hate.'

The simple fact is if the membership of this forum truly wanted to get rid of the evil 'racists' they would merely ignore the posts in question which they are clearly not doing. Take a hint folks; people like Brett are obviously wanted around here if nothing more then for the self-righteous to use as a punching bag to prove their own sainthood.

I can't speak for other people here and certainly I bear no resemblance whatsoever to a saint but I am here, amongst other things, because I care what happens in the world and have a complete inability to accept perceived injustice. I am one of those who would respond to someone like yourself, for several reasons.

I cannot understand how people like you think. It is fascinating to me in the same way that it is fascinating to read about how a terrorist or a serial killer's mind works...normal people are horrified yet interested at the same time. You would never wish to associate with such a person, but it is reasonable to be interested in how they became what they are.

Know your enemy, to be informed is always a good idea. Why are you here? Presumably to try to recruit and brainwash the weak?

However, you are a sad person IMO and as a charitable sort I would still talk with you and do whatever I could to try to help you. Your views are horrible. I cannot imagine what a terrible world this would be should you ever achieve any power. Have you ever considered tolerance and acceptance of diversity as a way forward?

[WarOnIgnorance]

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

I can't speak for other people here and certainly I bear no resemblance whatsoever to a saint but I am here, amongst other things, because I care what happens in the world and have a complete inability to accept perceived injustice. I am one of those who would respond to someone like yourself, for several reasons.

I cannot understand how people like you think. It is fascinating to me in the same way that it is fascinating to read about how a terrorist or a serial killer's mind works...normal people are horrified yet interested at the same time. You would never wish to associate with such a person, but it is reasonable to be interested in how they became what they are.

Know your enemy, to be informed is always a good idea. Why are you here? Presumably to try to recruit and brainwash the weak?

However, you are a sad person IMO and as a charitable sort I would still talk with you and do whatever I could to try to help you. Your views are horrible. I cannot imagine what a terrible world this would be should you ever achieve any power. Have you ever considered tolerance and acceptance of diversity as a way forward?

I think I might be of some assistance here. After 15 years of reading the extreme right propoganda (not just here on USPOL evidently) my conclusion is that the primary motivation of the the extreme right is fear.

This fear is based upon an incapacity to deal with the ever changing nature of society, which causes them to fail in the expectations of society. Sociologically the appeal of the extreme right, both actively and passively, is focused on people that live on the fringe of society. The demographics of their electorate will show that again and again.

This inadequacy is externalized in two different ways, which almost always are used concurrently. First, the inferiority complex due to their non functioning is overcompensated by a creed of superiority. It is for instance quite ironical that white nationalists are often considered as "white trash" by functioning members of society. Needless to say that this latter fact only enforces the need to manifest superiority which then leads to their labelling members of the very group they perceive to belong to, but whom disagree with them, and whom they theoretically perceive as superior, as inferior. Apparently, the irony of this completely escapes them.

Secondly, since from their selfperception of superiority, it is not conceivably possible that they are themselves the cause of their failure to function in society, a scapegoat needs to be found which can fulfill that role. This could be Jews, blacks, immigrants, Arabs, take your pick. The choice need not be rational, and it never is, which is clearly demonstrated when the exact same event is often blamed by one extreme right person on his specific scapegoat group and by another on his specific, but different, scapegoat group. Facts be damned.

A third, though less important attribute, is the creation of a fictional past for the group they use as their 'kind'. The USA for instance has never been 'white', and Europe has never been 'immigrant free'. Yet, some point in the past will be considered as such and will be further embellished by claiming the absence of criminality for it, or the perfect functioning of society, or complete adherence by the population to societal, legal or religious norms, and so on. Needless to say, that never happened and is a fictional Utopia. It's pure escapism from a reality they can't cope with.

Disclaimer : This analysis is based upon 15 years of observation of the whole spectrum of the extreme right and may or may not be applicable to specific individuals. Don't know. Don't care.

[Frank]

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

I can't speak for other people here and certainly I bear no resemblance whatsoever to a saint

Than I suggest you remember the ole biblical command about removing the plank from your own eye before worrying about the speck of dust in your neighbours eye...

but I am here, amongst other things, because I care what happens in the world and have a complete inability to accept perceived injustice. I am one of those who would respond to someone like yourself, for several reasons.

I care about what happens in the world as well; I care about my people's right to self-determination and survival.

I cannot understand how people like you think.

Maybe your problem is you believe BBC propaganda regarding how we allegedly think? Have you ever bothered to talk to people like myself?

It is fascinating to me in the same way that it is fascinating to read about how a terrorist or a serial killer's mind works

You are lumping me in with terrorists and serial killers? Maybe you should save that association for your terrorist government that just helped kill legions of innocent Iraqi's?

...normal people are horrified yet interested at the same time.

I certainly do not view suicidal people as normal...

UK whites will be minority by 2100 | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited

You would never wish to associate with such a person, but it is reasonable to be interested in how they became what they are.

Since you apparently approach people with a pre-determined view of what they must believe in stand for I doubt a conversation with you would be fruitful.

Interestingly enough such prejudgments and generalisations are the very things 'racists' are condemned for...

Know your enemy, to be informed is always a good idea. Why are you here? Presumably to try to recruit and brainwash the weak?

I want the strong; your side already has the weak. Why in the hell would I want suicidal people in my camp?

However, you are a sad person IMO and as a charitable sort I would still talk with you and do whatever I could to try to help you.

The sad ones are the fools who want to make themselves and my children powerless minorities. An insane man is one who fails to learn from historical precedent; apparently you have learned nothing from the lessons of Zimbabwe and South Africa.

Your views are horrible.

You know nothing of my views; you have decided what my views are before this debate even commenced. You are guilty of the very prejudgments you would condemn people like me for practicing.

I cannot imagine what a terrible world this would be should you ever achieve any power.

This is really rich coming from a suicidal multiculturalist who wants to turn my children into powerless minorities. I have much more to fear from people like you than I do from the worse 'Neo-Nazi.'

Have you ever considered tolerance and acceptance of diversity as a way forward?

Tell the victims of the French riots about the virtues of tolerance and diversity.

France stunned by rioters savagery - Times Online
A Judge Warns: France Should Prepare for Civil War | The Brussels Journal

[Frank]

Originally Posted by WarOnIgnorance

I think I might be of some assistance here. After 15 years of reading the extreme right propoganda (not just here on USPOL evidently) my conclusion is that the primary motivation of the the extreme right is fear.

Folks what you just read is a classic example of a leftist ad hominem smear masked as intellectual analysis. You will note the following:

1) WOI declines to address any commonly held positions of any WN'ist group let alone refuting them.

2) He attacks his opponents position as if it is a single collective position in a movement with a variety of ideologies. White Nationalism includes everything from National Anarchism to National Socialism.

3) He refers to White Nationalism as a 'far-right' ideology when in reality the White Nationalist movement has a variety of supporters from leftist economic supporters of various European Nationalist movements to those who specifically divorce themselves from the labels of 'right' and 'left' adopting elements of both wings.

WOI presents himself as an expert on a movement he obviously knows nothing about and uses pseudo-intellectual psycho-babble to denote himself as some sort of an authority.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Frank

Folks what you just read is a classic example of a leftist ad hominem smear masked as intellectual analysis. You will note the following:

1) WOI declines to address any commonly held positions of any WN'ist group let alone refuting them.

He says it's been over the course of 15 years. You want him to refute 15 years worth of WN's horseshit positions?

That's silly.

Hey, I just called your post silly: You should report that to the mods. The nerve of me...

2) He attacks his opponents position as if it is a single collective position in a movement with a variety of ideologies. White Nationalism includes everything from National Anarchism to National Socialism.

Their basic tenets are the same: Everything bad that happens to whites is due to blacks and Jews. How extreme the views are may vary, but the basis for them remains constant...

WOI presents himself as an expert on a movement he obviously knows nothing about and uses pseudo-intellectual psycho-babble to denote himself as some sort of an authority.

Disagreeing with a position does not equate to knowing nothing about it. Clearly, you believe it does...

[Frank]

Originally Posted by Steve

He says it's been over the course of 15 years.

Great then he should have no problems providing a rational critique of an actual position held by a an actual White Nationalist group.

You want him to refute 15 years worth of WN's horseshit positions?

I question whether he has any knowledge of actual White Nationalist positions.

Hey, I just called your post silly: You should report that to the mods. The nerve of me...

I was not going to do so but if you insist...

Their basic tenets are the same: Everything bad that happens to whites is due to blacks and Jews. How extreme the views are may vary, but the basis for them remains constant...

Where did you obtain these basic tenets?

Disagreeing with a position does not equate to knowing nothing about it. Clearly, you believe it does...

This is a strawman.

[MattLarson]

I figured it out - someone at VNN posted the link to the Zionist Conspiracy Generator:

http://judeosphere.blogspot.com/2007...y-o-matic.html

It pretty much covers all the "ideas" our new friends have goose-steeped on in to share with us.

Matt

[WarOnIgnorance]

Originally Posted by Frank

Folks what you just read is a classic example of a leftist ad hominem smear masked as intellectual analysis. You will note the following:

1) WOI declines to address any commonly held positions of any WN'ist group let alone refuting them.

Specific instances were not the subject of the post. It's about the common themes of all extreme right organizations globally.

Originally Posted by Frank

2) He attacks his opponents position as if it is a single collective position in a movement with a variety of ideologies. White Nationalism includes everything from National Anarchism to National Socialism.

Ditto. (FYI "National anarchism" is nonsensical.)

Originally Posted by Frank

3) He refers to White Nationalism as a 'far-right' ideology when in reality the White Nationalist movement has a variety of supporters from leftist economic supporters of various European Nationalist movements to those who specifically divorce themselves from the labels of 'right' and 'left' adopting elements of both wings.

Any organization that excludes parts of the population from whatever economical system it might adhere to cannot be leftish politically ipso facto as that is always based on solidarity and cooperation. An ideology that creates pseudo-castes is extreme right by definition.

Originally Posted by Frank

WOI presents himself as an expert on a movement he obviously knows nothing about and uses pseudo-intellectual psycho-babble to denote himself as some sort of an authority.

It's my analysis. Nothing more, nothing less. Do with it what you want. You might even consider addressing its content.

[Viv]

[quote=Frank;1121339]

Than I suggest you remember the ole biblical command about removing the plank from your own eye before worrying about the speck of dust in your neighbours eye...

If I could, I would consider poking you in the eye with a sharp stick pulled from the plank No offence Frank, but this is gibberish. What does that even mean? I am not a saint, nor do I wish to be one. So what?

I care about what happens in the world as well; I care about my people's right to self-determination and survival

At the expense of other peoples' children though? That is unacceptable. There are more people in the world than you and they are all entitled to equal consideration and equal rights. What is it, that you think the rain shouldn't rain on your children? Grow up. You share this planet, you have no right to own it exclusively for your purposes. I am a tolerant person and slow to anger, but bullying and intimidation will provoke a reaction and that is what you propose.

Maybe your problem is you believe BBC propaganda regarding how we allegedly think? Have you ever bothered to talk to people like myself?

I am talking to you. You are talking at me. I haven't read any BBC reports, although you have quoted some to support your statements, so am I to take it those are propaganda and not to be trusted?
I have read your other posts and those of your twin brother and formed my opinion from what you have written.

You are lumping me in with terrorists and serial killers? Maybe you should save that association for your terrorist government that just helped kill legions of innocent Iraqi's?

What would you do to the people you disapprove of, if you had power, Frank?

I certainly do not view suicidal people as normal...

Did I miss a bit? Who is suicidal here?

UK whites will be minority by 2100 | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited

Oops, can't read that, it's just propaganda.

Since you apparently approach people with a pre-determined view of what they must believe in stand for I doubt a conversation with you would be fruitful.

Surprise!! Does that mean you would prefer not to be questioned too closely on your beliefs on the off chance that they will be revealed as fundamentally flawed? You should really take the opportunity to discuss these beliefs with rational people Frank. The people you have been taking information from until now are not giving you good advice.

Interestingly enough such prejudgments and generalisations are the very things 'racists' are condemned for...

I did mention that my judgement, if it is that, is based on your own posts. But feel free to enlighten me on why you should not be judged as a racist. Feel free to tell me what your views actually are and allow me to discuss them with you. It would be easier to follow if you could detail your beliefs and the reasons for them in a rational, logical post. This one IMO is a little over excited.

I want the strong; your side already has the weak. Why in the hell would I want suicidal people in my camp?

You may find that those you view as weak are capable of self-defence and even of defending the rights of others.

The sad ones are the fools who want to make themselves and my children powerless minorities. An insane man is one who fails to learn from historical precedent; apparently you have learned nothing from the lessons of Zimbabwe and South Africa.

To what do you refer, Frank? Could you expand and be specific please?

You know nothing of my views; you have decided what my views are before this debate even commenced. You are guilty of the very prejudgments you would condemn people like me for practicing.

A repetition of a previously made point...

This is really rich coming from a suicidal multiculturalist who wants to turn my children into powerless minorities. I have much more to fear from people like you than I do from the worse 'Neo-Nazi.'

Indeed. I would certainly stand up against racism in any form.

Tell the victims of the French riots about the virtues of tolerance and diversity.

I'm aware of the French riots and the reasons for them. The French are currently not particularly tolerant of ethnic minorities. Had they taken more time to assimilate these people and grant them equality with others, rather than exclude them from work, house them in ghettos which are painted and maintained on the exterior to give an appearance of prosperity, but which are internally run down dumps, those people may have reacted differently. Your example supports the view that racism creates problems and violence. It doesn't solve them.

[AwareAndiCare]

I am always amazed at the lack of intelligence some of the threads show. We supposedly are the most evolved of civilizations to ever live here and yet we still have to debate common consideration of each other. How about we all wake up and share the inherent love we all know as a right of life. Put your kid in front of your hate first and realize your decisions will affect them directly.
I see anger constantly being put on others...usually for something our forefathers did. When do we take responsibility ???? Nothing will ever change as long as people carry a dead hatred and i mean dead...those who started the shit like bush die and leave us to fight thier battles. Please people lets try tolerance on a world wide scale...the money whores will collapse along with thier slavery of our humanity. I hate no one...once i get past my WORLD programming. As far as threads these people live a lonely existance, give them love and they will leave.

[Frank]

Originally Posted by AwareAndiCare

I am always amazed at the lack of intelligence some of the threads show. We supposedly are the most evolved of civilizations to ever live here and yet we still have to debate common consideration of each other.

If we were truly advanced we would not be turning our 'most evolved' civilisations into third world cesspools.

You speak of love as a justification for the murder of our evolved civilisations; I speak of survival and preserving our "most evolved" civilisations.

[MattLarson]

"murder of our evolved civilisations"

Congratulations on reaching a new plateau of hyperbole.

[Viv]

Originally Posted by MattLarson

I figured it out - someone at VNN posted the link to the Zionist Conspiracy Generator:

Judeosphere: The Zionist-Conspiracy-O-Matic

It pretty much covers all the "ideas" our new friends have goose-steeped on in to share with us.

Matt

That was pretty funny Frank has definitely read it, or should do so and take note of how ridiculous some of the theories appear to be.

I read some of the author's other items. Gorgeous George Galloway, being a Scot, was interesting. I forwarded it to a friend of mine who will no doubt comment...

[Frank]

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

If I could, I would consider poking you in the eye with a sharp stick pulled from the plank No offence Frank, but this is gibberish. What does that even mean? I am not a saint, nor do I wish to be one. So what?

You certainly preach...

At the expense of other peoples' children though?

My children come first and I am not willing to sacrifice their futures so your precious minorities can be happy.

That is unacceptable. There are more people in the world than you and they are all entitled to equal consideration and equal rights.

Since when does the third world have a 'right' to migrate to the West? Since when do I have to quietly accept my future generations becoming powerless minorities because people like you insist that third worlders have a right to my home?

What is it, that you think the rain shouldn't rain on your children? Grow up.

We are not talking about rain but cultural and ethnic displacement.

You share this planet, you have no right to own it exclusively for your purposes.

Who said I should own the planet? I merely contend that people are entitled to live and rule in their own lands. Fine; whites cannot have the planet but can we have something in it? Are we entitled to a piece of land where we can live as a majority free to self-determination or is that unacceptable in your world view?

I am a tolerant person and slow to anger, but bullying and intimidation will provoke a reaction and that is what you propose.

How am I bullying anyone by merely advocating policies that will keep the indigenous people of Europe a majority in their own lands? I believe Arabs have a right to be the majority in their lands as blacks have the right to be a majority in their own lands. How exactly am I intimidating anybody?

I am talking to you. You are talking at me. I haven't read any BBC reports, although you have quoted some to support your statements, so am I to take it those are propaganda and not to be trusted?

In regards to how people like myself think; I would not trust any mainstream media source.

I have read your other posts and those of your twin brother and formed my opinion from what you have written.

If you thing I have a twin brother you have not been paying attention to my posts...

What would you do to the people you disapprove of, if you had power, Frank?

Unlike communists who kill and murder opposition I would deport non-citizen criminals; restrict immigration and withdraw from the UN Refugee Convention of 1951 to start...

Did I miss a bit? Who is suicidal here?