why is there suddenly a plethora of racist threads?

[Mrs. M]

Originally Posted by Frank

Who said I should own the planet? I merely contend that people are entitled to live and rule in their own lands. Fine; whites cannot have the planet but can we have something in it? Are we entitled to a piece of land where we can live as a majority free to self-determination or is that unacceptable in your world view?

What's so bad about co-existing with other races? What is so important about having a white-dominated land? Shouldn't we be trying to better ALL mankind instead of stepping on other races in the quest for superiority?

[Viv]

=Frank;1121728]You certainly preach...

It's all in your mind, Frank, a bad conscience. I would never dream of preaching to anyone.

My children come first and I am not willing to sacrifice their futures so your precious minorities can be happy.

Thing is, the world is changing and plainly it is changing where you are. This is natural. As natural as it is for ALL parents to expect the same advantages for their families as you do for yours. You have no right to deprive anyone of anything. You are just a person like everyone else.

Since when does the third world have a 'right' to migrate to the West? Since when do I have to quietly accept my future generations becoming powerless minorities because people like you insist that third worlders have a right to my home?

Since always, Frank. How do you think your family got where it is? Please give a little more background on your actual situation if you can. It sounds like you are concerned a threat to your environment. If that is the case, it would be easier to analyse if you described the problems accurately. I don't know what you are referring to or where you are located, so it's difficult to discuss constructively.

We are not talking about rain but cultural and ethnic displacement.

Again, I don't know what that relates to specifically.

Who said I should own the planet? I merely contend that people are entitled to live and rule in their own lands. Fine; whites cannot have the planet but can we have something in it? Are we entitled to a piece of land where we can live as a majority free to self-determination or is that unacceptable in your world view?

Depends...If the majority is white, that will be the case and many governments limit the level of immigrants to provide stability.
If the majority is multicultural, society must take the views of all present cultures into account, not just those of white people. Otherwise, you are looking for unfair advantage for what reason? Just because you are white, just because you were there first, what? Where is the justification for that and for how long can it possibly be maintained in view of the fact that you are in a minority and in view of the fact that it is inequable?
Democracy...not a new concept and not an unreasonable one either. You can fight it, but it's fighting against the tide.

How am I bullying anyone by merely advocating policies that will keep the indigenous people of Europe a majority in their own lands? I believe Arabs have a right to be the majority in their lands as blacks have the right to be a majority in their own lands. How exactly am I intimidating anybody?

You expect to retain your comfortable lifestyle. Poor people want to be comfortable too. If you live in the EU, you are part of something bigger than your own country. There is an agreement allowing people to cross borders and work wherever they want to. The days of protectionism are numbered.

In regards to how people like myself think; I would not trust any mainstream media source.

That being the case, you perhaps shouldn't quote such sources.

If you thing I have a twin brother you have not been paying attention to my posts...

I am secure in the knowledge that you know to whom I refer.

Unlike communists who kill and murder opposition I would deport non-citizen criminals; restrict immigration and withdraw from the UN Refugee Convention of 1951 to start...

Irrespective of the wishes of the people you foist these life changing circumstances on? With regard only for your own best interests. What would you do with people who have had the bad judgement to settle in your area and set up in business?

I suppose if you are non-white not you...

You are free to question me at your leisure but with your prejudgments I highly doubt any answer short of advocating gas chambers and concentration camps will be met with anything other then mockery or dismissal.

I have not prejudged you (again). What do you think of those things you mention though? Gas chambers and such. Any views to share? And any reasoning behind the views?

Sadly; I have not yet met any rational people on this forum.

If the whole world is wrong except you... maybe you might revisit your own views objectivelyn and try to analyse them as another person might understand them.

I highly doubt that or you would not be asking questions to things I have already answered...

For example?

Oh please; calling someone a 'racist' is a classless way of admitting that you do not have a rational argument. Once someone calls me a name like that; I know that they are beaten.

You take exception to that label? How would you describe your views? You plainly understand the concept of racism. Do you assert that you do not ascribe to that philosophy?

You are free to judge me as you wish; you already have anyway.

It's not my place to judge anyone Frankie, just to listen and think.

I honesty believe any answer that I provide that does not live down to your expectations of what I stand for will be dismissed out of hand. I believe your mind is already made up and discussing the issue with you is fruitless.

This is a discussion forum. It is expected that people will wish to discuss and dissect different viewpoints. Why don't you tell me what you do stand for, but without aggression and without fingerpointing, just the truth.

Weakness does not always refer to hand to hand combat abilities or physical prowess.

Of course, it is the least effective way to combat evil.

You do not know of the racial persecution against your former Rhodesian countrymen in Zimbabwe?

Little bit confusing here, Frank. "My" former Rhodesian countrymen in Zimbabwe...what can that mean? Can you clarify please?

Great go down to the local radical Mosque or Chabad Temple and hold an anti-hate rally on the street outside of the institutions in question if it is legal to do so...

Again you lost me...would I, in your view, be protesting about hate against whom?

Yep; typical EU mindset! Non-whites riot so blame whitey.

I am totally white btw. British and lily f***ing white, blonde, the whole bit. I am not, however, intolerant of other peoples.

Or maybe the migrants should have stayed home if they were not assimilated? If I move to Saudi Arabia I certainly do not expect the Saudi monarchs to assimilate me! I would not go there without appropriate language skills, educational requirements for work and an understanding of their culture so I could fit in...

I am sure that would be the preference of most people, but is plainly not an option available to all. Many people relocate because their circumstances are desperate in situe. Were they educated, skilled and in control they would not have to take such a brave step as moving to another country, with nothing, no idea of how they will survive, no assistance, no friends, blatant aggression from locals...do you ever think of their situation? Of why they were forced to emigrate? Do you imagine that is an easy thing to do?

Second, how do you make people 'equal?' Oooops right you have to practice racial discrimination against one group to prop up another don't you? In other words you practice the very racism you are trying to rectify assuming without reason that racism has to be the cause of failure from an alien cultural groups with collective average IQ's in the 70's to 80's range.

Positive discrimination. As opposed to racism.
IQ measured by which criteria? I have seen studies which suggest, on initial viewing, that black people are less intelligent than white. Closer research reveals these studies were carried out by white people, in the English language (a second language to the candidates) and reflected nothing other than the bias and inadequacy of the body which staged the study.
Should you travel to the country of origin of the groups you disparage, then allow yourself to be tested under the criteria and conditions set in that country, do you suppose you would emerge a shining genius? Everything is relative.

Actually diversity creates violence and problems. Diversity is the leading cause of racism; where racial diversity goes...racial strife follows.

I live in the UK, a highly multicultural society which functions better than most societies around the world. There are of course some societal problems, but they are as nothing compared to most. Any case of racial violence is really big news here, because there is so little of it and because people are almost completely opposed to it.

Diversity is really interesting. Homogenization is not. Don't you find other cultures fascinating?

[TheLastBoyScout]

Originally Posted by moon

Wassup, is everybody frightened to take on someone with extremist ideas ?

Censorship stinks. Provided members post within the rules then they should be free to express themselves.

Forum Moderation requires a degree of censorship. The forum exists for people interested in politics to get information and have discussions. This is a website, not a democracy.

If a poster is continually not contributing to the discussion, clearly not interested in politics, and is only promoting their own unrelated agenda, I believe the admins and mods should have full discretion to wipe out stupid threads or issue bans. Referees, judges, and forum moderators use the rules as a baseline, but will always need to make judgement calls when necessary.

The amount of trash, spam, and other types of unrelated material can detract from the quality of this site if it accumulates.

I applaud the admins and mods any time they "take out the garbage".

[Frank]

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

It's all in your mind, Frank, a bad conscience. I would never dream of preaching to anyone.

Claim made from observation....

Thing is, the world is changing and plainly it is changing where you are. This is natural.

It is not natural in the least; there is no precedent that I am aware of in which any major indigenous majority willingly laid down its power inpeacetimeto become a minority in their own land...

Whites will be an ethnic minority in Britain by the end of the century. Analysis of official figures indicate that, at current fertility rates and levels of immigration, there will be more non-whites than whites by 2100.

It would be the first time in history that a major indigenous population has voluntarily become a minority, rather than through war, famine or disease. Whites will be a minority in London by 2010.

UK whites will be minority by 2100 | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited

As natural as it is for ALL parents to expect the same advantages for their families as you do for yours. You have no right to deprive anyone of anything. You are just a person like everyone else.

I have every right to voice my displeasure at the future displacement and subjugation of my own children.

Since always, Frank. How do you think your family got where it is?

Certainly not be inviting hostile invaders to live in their homes.

Please give a little more background on your actual situation if you can. It sounds like you are concerned a threat to your environment. If that is the case, it would be easier to analyse if you described the problems accurately. I don't know what you are referring to or where you are located, so it's difficult to discuss constructively.

What is there to analyze? The situation is quite clear; I do not need a team of sociologists to tell me what is visible to my naked eye...

Depends...If the majority is white, that will be the case and many governments limit the level of immigrants to provide stability.
If the majority is multicultural, society must take the views of all present cultures into account, not just those of white people.

You expect to retain your comfortable lifestyle. Poor people want to be comfortable too.

Then feel free to empty your bank account, mortgage your property and give them the proceeds...

If you live in the EU, you are part of something bigger than your own country. There is an agreement allowing people to cross borders and work wherever they want to. The days of protectionism are numbered.

No, the days of sovereignty and self-determination are numbered...

Irrespective of the wishes of the people you foist these life changing circumstances on? With regard only for your own best interests. What would you do with people who have had the bad judgement to settle in your area and set up in business?

You have no problem with foisting a future on my children in which they are a powerless minority. Why should I care about your precious minorities considering the future my children are facing?

I have not prejudged you (again). What do you think of those things you mention though? Gas chambers and such. Any views to share? And any reasoning behind the views?

of course you have prejudged me; you have associated me with terrorism and serial murder for goodness sake...

If the whole world is wrong except you... maybe you might revisit your own views objectivelyn and try to analyse them as another person might understand them.

Actually many people back my views; the recent Swiss elections should illustrate that point...

You take exception to that label? How would you describe your views? You plainly understand the concept of racism. Do you assert that you do not ascribe to that philosophy?

I do not adopt your pejorative labels as a rule...

I am sure that would be the preference of most people, but is plainly not an option available to all. Many people relocate because their circumstances are desperate in situe.

And how many of these poor refugees skip 7 to 8 other safe nations to make it to Whiteyland? Let's examine that question sometime...

IQ measured by which criteria? I have seen studies which suggest, on initial viewing, that black people are less intelligent than white. Closer research reveals these studies were carried out by white people, in the English language (a second language to the candidates).

Interesting criticism since Northeast Asians tend to have the highest scores.

I live in the UK, a highly multicultural society which functions better than most societies around the world.

The standard of living in the UK is one of the worst in the Western world...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../nindex105.xml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../nindex205.xml

[Frank]

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

What's so bad about co-existing with other races? What is so important about having a white-dominated land? Shouldn't we be trying to better ALL mankind instead of stepping on other races in the quest for superiority?

The issue is survival Mrs. M. Why is it important for Jews to have a homeland? Because they want to survive as a people; they realise being a world minority means being at the mercy of other populations groups everywhere hence they need a land in which they can determine their own futures free from outside domination.

History is not friendly to minority groups who have no where to run and to find sanctuary. Whites are a minority on this planet and it is not in our interests to be a minority in every nation on the planet especially in one man, one vote systems of democracy.

[Viv]

Originally Posted by Frank

Claim made from observation....



It is not natural in the least; there is no precedent that I am aware of in which any major indigenous majority willingly laid down its power inpeacetimeto become a minority in their own land...

Whites will be an ethnic minority in Britain by the end of the century. Analysis of official figures indicate that, at current fertility rates and levels of immigration, there will be more non-whites than whites by 2100.

It would be the first time in history that a major indigenous population has voluntarily become a minority, rather than through war, famine or disease. Whites will be a minority in London by 2010.

UK whites will be minority by 2100 | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited



I have every right to voice my displeasure at the future displacement and subjugation of my own children.



Certainly not be inviting hostile invaders to live in their homes.



What is there to analyze? The situation is quite clear; I do not need a team of sociologists to tell me what is visible to my naked eye...





Then feel free to empty your bank account, mortgage your property and give them the proceeds...



No, the days of sovereignty and self-determination are numbered...



You have no problem with foisting a future on my children in which they are a powerless minority. Why should I care about your precious minorities considering the future my children are facing?



of course you have prejudged me; you have associated me with terrorism and serial murder for goodness sake...



Actually many people back my views; the recent Swiss elections should illustrate that point...



I do not adopt your pejorative labels as a rule...



And how many of these poor refugees skip 7 to 8 other safe nations to make it to Whiteyland? Let's examine that question sometime...



Interesting criticism since Northeast Asians tend to have the highest scores.



The standard of living in the UK is one of the worst in the Western world...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../nindex105.xml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../nindex205.xml

Well, I have read all which has been written and realise you have not answered any of the questions I raised.

Fairly obviously written by a dishonest poster with little interest in genuine debate. As suspected, there is probably another agenda for your presence here.

If you are ever ready to engage, do let me know. I am interested in learning your views, but not in wasting my time.

[Frank]

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

Well, I have read all which has been written and realise you have not answered any of the questions I raised.

You have asked very few questions worth answering in all honesty...

Fairly obviously written by a dishonest poster with little interest in genuine debate. As suspected, there is probably another agenda for your presence here.

So now you merely resort to personal insults.

If you are ever ready to engage, do let me know. I am interested in learning your views, but not in wasting my time.

Sorry but you will find that I am rarely 'ready' to be insulted and preached at by the likes of you.

[Viv]

Originally Posted by Frank

You have asked very few questions worth answering in all honesty...



So now you merely resort to personal insults.



Sorry but you will find that I am rarely 'ready' to be insulted and preached at by the likes of you.

The "likes of you". And how am I, Frank? A sweeping statement for one who takes umbrage at prejudgement.

The word "preach" enters the conversation a lot. Are you a religious man?

[Frank]

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

The "likes of you". And how am I, Frank? A sweeping statement for one who takes umbrage at prejudgement.

Who am I prejudging? I am specifically referring to people like yourself that behave like you...

[Viv]

Originally Posted by Frank

Who am I prejudging? I am specifically referring to people like yourself that behave like you...

Again, no reply to the question. It's a pretty one-sided affair "debating" with you Frank.

[Frank]

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

Again, no reply to the question. It's a pretty one-sided affair "debating" with you Frank.

You do not debate but merely attack; in post # 76 you referred to me as a 'sad person.' You also made it clear that you were engaging in an act of 'charity' by even talking to me as if you matter.

You prejudge me by telling me that my views are 'horrible' without having any idea of what I actually believe. The fact that you are asking me questions about what I believe is indicative of your ignorance pertaining to my views.

After all of these insults, judgments and patronising you are surprised that I do not take you or your questions seriously? Post # 76 proved to me your mind is already made up; whatever I believe, beliefs you know little of obviously, you have already deemed them horrible. I see no reason to believe that you are a fair debater who would approach my answers with an open mind.

[Meridious]

Well, this thread has certainly taken a turn, eh? Might as well place it in the humanities or culture section now.

[Viv]

Originally Posted by Frank

You do not debate but merely attack; in post # 76 you referred to me as a 'sad person.' You also made it clear that you were engaging in an act of 'charity' by even talking to me as if you matter.

You prejudge me by telling me that my views are 'horrible' without having any idea of what I actually believe. The fact that you are asking me questions about what I believe is indicative of your ignorance pertaining to my views.

After all of these insults, judgments and patronising you are surprised that I do not take you or your questions seriously? Post # 76 proved to me your mind is already made up; whatever I believe, beliefs you know little of obviously, you have already deemed them horrible. I see no reason to believe that you are a fair debater who would approach my answers with an open mind.

And you are not answering Steve's question in the other thread...

Quote from Mrs Thatcher for you:

"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left. "

[moon]

LBS;

Forum Moderation requires a degree of censorship.

No, not outside of the forum rules, it doesn't. If sites are to become sheltered communities then they should state as much. If the membership of the site is fundamentally decent then that will serve to protect it from indecencies, not synthetic moralities imposed from on high and enforced by individuals who are themselves prone to bias and blunder.

You can pull your 'censorship wagons' in a circle if you like, and allow the forces of extremism to ride around outside, left and right, but you'll start eating each other not long after debate fizzles out.