why is there suddenly a plethora of racist threads?

[Viv]

Originally Posted by Frank

Quite nervy and hypocritical of you to dedicate this quote to me when you are the one who started with the launching of attacks, prejudgments and belittling comments.

Not known for nervousness or hypocrisy Frank. You are right to be shocked though, the initial perception was proven inaccurate by virtue of our debate...

[Frank]

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

Not known for nervousness or hypocrisy Frank. You are right to be shocked though, the initial perception was proven inaccurate by virtue of our debate...

You seem to be under the impression there was a debate; from my view of the situation you merely attacked, belittled and prejudged me. I am fine with that; in many cases this is the only way my opponents can hope to score points in a debate with me. However, please do not paint me as the ad hominem aggressor here...

[Viv]

=Frank;1122598]You seem to be under the impression there was a debate;

You will find I withdrew citing lack of honest, open response from the opposition. This is not true debate. The invitation still stands to engage when you are ready to discuss honestly, without dissembling...I won't hold my breath for that happy day.

from my view of the situation you merely attacked, belittled and prejudged me.

Sorry you feel that way, you're a pretty sensitive guy but I have not disparaged your views in any way as I have not heard any fully described as yet.

I am fine with that; in many cases this is the only way my opponents can hope to score points in a debate with me.

Oops, b/s alert...this is quite difficult to believe. Several posters have managed to do this without resorting to any kind of foul play.

However, please do not paint me as the ad hominem aggressor here...

Frank, have you ever answered an honest question? Do you think it can be assumed that your beliefs are indefensible and that is why you do not openly and factually state them?
There is no requirement to paint you...you're doing a fine job by yourself.
Have nice day...

[Frank]

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

Sorry you feel that way, you're a pretty sensitive guy but I have not disparaged your views in any way as I have not heard any fully described as yet.

Actually you said my views were 'horrible' before you even heard them.

Frank, have you ever answered an honest question?

I have certainly answered honest questions from rational people who have not decided what I believe before they read the answers.

Do you think it can be assumed that your beliefs are indefensible and that is why you do not openly and factually state them?

There is a saying in the bible that counsels people not to cast their pearl before swine. I see no reason to waste time explaining my views to someone who has a pre-determined notion that my views are horrible. I would be wasting my time; I have debated my beliefs repeatedly on this forum (Ask Daisym) but I have learned that casting my pearl in such a manner only serves to take hours from my life I will never get back...

There is no requirement to paint you...you're doing a fine job by yourself. Have nice day...

You see here is another problem; you attack me and then present yours truly as the aggressor. Personally, I have little doubt that a debate with you would be fruitless since you would likely resort to personal attacks and well-poisoning once you started to lose the debate.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Frank

Personally, I have little doubt that a debate with you would be fruitless since you would likely resort to personal attacks and well-poisoning once you started to lose the debate.

Right.

If one wants to debate without name calling, where should they go, Frank?

VNN??

[Frank]

Originally Posted by Steve

Right.

If one wants to debate without name calling, where should they go, Frank?

VNN??

At least VNN does not operate on a two-tier rule enforcement system under the guise of maintaining civil debate.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Frank

At least VNN does not operate on a two-tier rule enforcement system under the guise of maintaining civil debate.

Sure it does.

If you're not a racist, you're shouted down, called names like "kike" and "nigger".

Their debating technique is as such:

Random poster: "I'm white, but I don't think blacks and jews are to blame for the problems whites have".

Toothless VNN denizen: "BULLSHIT! You're a kike or maybe a nigger most likely".

Yes, they certainly are paragons of intellectual thought and debate...

[Frank]

Originally Posted by Steve

Sure it does.

If you're not a racist, you're shouted down, called names like "kike" and "nigger".

But unlike here the bosses at VNN do not provoke you into arguments and then punish you when you fight back. In the Nutzpah Lounge or Opposing Views anything goes...

Their debating technique is as such:

Random poster: "I'm white, but I don't think blacks and jews are to blame for the problems whites have".

Toothless VNN denizen: "BULLSHIT! You're a kike or maybe a nigger most likely".

Yes, they certainly are paragons of intellectual thought and debate...

Like any forum VNN has its share of provocateurs, saboteurs, idiots, morons and troublemakers. This forum is not full of brainiacs either; I could cite the example of a 'marine' that told me Israel had to fire 24,000 shells into Gaza to drive Hezbollah out of the territory.

Personally, I am out of here when a moderator starts targeting you and is permitted to do so; this speaks volumes. So Daisym is getting her wish...

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Frank

Personally, I am out of here

Don't let the door hit ya' where the good Lord split ya'...

[Viv]

Originally Posted by Steve

Don't let the door hit ya' where the good Lord split ya'...

thanks for that mental image...

[Steve]

Originally Posted by scotlandforever

thanks for that mental image...

I do what I can...