Enough with the race baiting

[pramjockey]

I know that the intention of this forum is the free exchange of ideas. However, there are also explicit rules about the deliberate baiting of other members.

There are a few posters here who are consistently using racist language, clearly with the intent of insulting and baiting other members. This is clearly against the rules, and rightfully so - these threads are nothing but bickering and insults from both sides, and bringing down the level of the board.

IMHO, it is time to end this. Ideally, the staff would step in and draw a line. To stop the racist language and the baiting that it clearly represents is not a suppression of speech (which is already limited here). It is removing a source of anger and conflict that is doing serious harm to these forums.

If the staff won't stop it, then I plead with my fellow forum-goers: please stop responding to these threads and these comments. Put the members on ignore if you have to. We, despite our political differences, can come together and agree that the value of this forum far outweighs our need to respond.

Let's preserve this forum as a place to (mostly) civilly discuss issues.

Thank you for your time.

[Frank]

Originally Posted by pramjockey

I know that the intention of this forum is the free exchange of ideas. However, there are also explicit rules about the deliberate baiting of other members.

An offense you have been guilty of numerous times; clean up your own doorstep first...

There are a few posters here who are consistently using racist language, clearly with the intent of insulting and baiting other members. This is clearly against the rules, and rightfully so - these threads are nothing but bickering and insults from both sides, and bringing down the level of the board.

Actually all forms of baiting are forbidden but in a sheer fit of intolerance you only seek to suppress one form of it; baiting in the form of racist language.

IMHO, it is time to end this. Ideally, the staff would step in and draw a line. To stop the racist language and the baiting that it clearly represents is not a suppression of speech (which is already limited here). It is removing a source of anger and conflict that is doing serious harm to these forums.

In other words in a truly Stalinist mentality you want moderators to restrict the speech of racial nationalists for the good of the people?

If the staff won't stop it, then I plead with my fellow forum-goers: please stop responding to these threads and these comments.

Why don't you leave USPOL if the "racist language' bothers you? Do you think the moderators are so Soviet that they will ban me because an intolerant liberal does not like what I have to say?

Put the members on ignore if you have to. We, despite our political differences, can come together and agree that the value of this forum far outweighs our need to respond.

You sound like a Anti-Racist-Action member using righteous indignant emotionally-charged drivel to quash debate. I hate to tell you this but Brett Golden's threads tend to end up becoming quite popular and like it or not you have failed to put a stop to it.

Now I do agree with your advice in the case of people who cannot follow the rules when participating in those threads due to their emotions or posters responding to trolls looking to entrap them into warnings.

Let's preserve this forum as a place to (mostly) civilly discuss issues.

Thank you for your time.

You have been a shining example of civility up to now! Just because you are intolerant and support the suppression of certain political speech that truly offends you does not mean the moderators will remove the offenders from the forum.

Live with it or maybe you should go elsewhere; maybe a Marxist-Leninist forum would be more to your liking? Lotsa speech oppression on those sites.

[hermanboo]

Thanks, pram.

I can't tell you how many times I've had to sit on my hands when reading those posts because of their extremely inflammatory nature, but I keep telling myself not to feed the trolls. Some people are just looking for a confrontation, and an opportunity to spew crap. There's no point in feeding those egos with any type of response at all.

It's a lot like some of the celebrity infatuation we seem to currently have, and the fact that even bad publicity is still publicity. Without any attention, I'd like to believe the offenders will eventually fade away. At worst the posts will end up as isolated circle jerks with only adherents participating.

[Frank]

Originally Posted by hermanboo

Thanks, pram.

You are thanking him for calling for the suppression of views he does not like?

I can't tell you how many times I've had to sit on my hands when reading those posts because of their extremely inflammatory nature, but I keep telling myself not to feed the trolls.

Who forces you to even read them? You do not like what the WN'ists have to say then feel free to avoid answering our posts or even reading our threads.

Some people are just looking for a confrontation, and an opportunity to spew crap. There's no point in feeding those egos with any type of response at all.

Of course a confrontation is sought out this is a political debate forum is it not? What good is a debate forum where people agree with each other?

It's a lot like some of the celebrity infatuation we seem to currently have, and the fact that even bad publicity is still publicity. Without any attention, I'd like to believe the offenders will eventually fade away. At worst the posts will end up as isolated circle jerks with only adherents participating.

Your bad habits are not the fault of my crew; if you have a celebrity infatuation with Brett and the boys this is a flaw on your part not Brett and his crew...

[pramjockey]

Ahh, Frank. So glad you could join me. You're always such a help.


Notice that I've not claimed to be perfect. I've lost my temper, and I've taken my points as a result. Of course, I haven't gone crying about some sort of conspiracy afterwards.

As for the rest of your "response," I'm really not surprised. You're an angry, racist Canadian. We get it. Perhaps you could find a forum with other angry, racist Canadians to vent on?


By the way, your "crew?" So you admit bringing these people here? To what end, if not to disrupt? Do you honestly believe that bringing people here to call others "nigger" and "kike" added anything to the forum? You've spent a lot of time here, why actively destroy a place you have put so much effort into?

[Frank]

Originally Posted by pramjockey

As for the rest of your "response," I'm really not interested. You're an angry, racist Canadian. We get it. Perhaps you could find a forum with other angry, racist Canadians to vent on?

See the hypocrisy folks; Pram whines about baiting and then proceeds to bait a poster in the very same thread; this proves that he does not mind baiting but is merely using that rule as an angle to remove political opponents from this forum or at least get their posts heavily moderated. As far as bigotry goes; what does my Canadian citizenship have to do with anything? Why was that brought up? Do I sense a tad of anti-Canadian bigotry from Pram?

Again, learn to practice what you preach before complaining to the mods about baiting Pram...

By the way, your "crew?" So you admit bringing these people here? To what end, if not to disrupt? Do you honestly believe that bringing people here to call others "nigger" and "kike" added anything to the forum? You've spent a lot of time here, why actively destroy a place you have put so much effort into?

I did not bring Brett Golden or Truth to this forum but I have invited others to come here in the past...

[pramjockey]

What part is "baiting?" You are angry, at least as viewed by the posts that you write. You are racist, by your own admission. You're a Canadian posting on a website about US politics. Does that mean that I dislike Canada? Hardly.

[Frank]

Originally Posted by pramjockey

What part is "baiting?" You are angry, at least as viewed by the posts that you write. You are racist, by your own admission. You're a Canadian posting on a website about US politics. Does that mean that I dislike Canada? Hardly.

You engaged in name-calling; "racist" is a pejorative label meant as an attack whether you view it as true or not. I also do not make it a habit to label myself in such a manner and when I do I put the term in quotes to indicate it is not my personal label for myself. You bait when you poison the well and this is sheer hypocrisy on your part which is no surprise since you do not have a problem with baiting; you would not engage in baiting tactics otherwise.

As far as my being angry? I am not the one creating a thread whining and crying to the moderators trying to get my political opponents banned or restricted under a rule I regularly break myself especially in the very same thread!

[TheLastBoyScout]

Originally Posted by Frank

You engaged in name-calling; "racist" is a pejorative label meant as an attack whether you view it as true or not. I also do not make it a habit to label myself in such a manner and when I do I put the term in quotes to indicate it is not my personal label for myself. You bait when you poison the well and this is sheer hypocrisy on your part which is no surprise since you do not have a problem with baiting; you would not engage in baiting tactics otherwise.

As far as my being angry? I am not the one creating a thread whining and crying to the moderators trying to get my political opponents banned or restricted under a rule I regularly break myself especially in the very same thread!

I think I'd leave it lie, Frank.

Pramjockey said "enough with the race baiting" and you were the first to respond in a defensive posture.

That said, you've been a member for quite a while and I can't remember people really noticing an abundance of problems until certain other posters came along, so I'm not even sure this was directed at you.

[pramjockey]

It wasn't. But why bother with facts?

Remember, this is a guy who advocated for, and all but called for, violence against another poster here.

[pramjockey]

Originally Posted by Frank

You engaged in name-calling; "racist" is a pejorative label meant as an attack whether you view it as true or not. I also do not make it a habit to label myself in such a manner and when I do I put the term in quotes to indicate it is not my personal label for myself. You bait when you poison the well and this is sheer hypocrisy on your part which is no surprise since you do not have a problem with baiting; you would not engage in baiting tactics otherwise.

As far as my being angry? I am not the one creating a thread whining and crying to the moderators trying to get my political opponents banned or restricted under a rule I regularly break myself especially in the very same thread!

For fuck's sake, Frank. There's no tears here. I'm not trying to get anyone banned. Perhaps you should seek some help for your persecution complex?

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Frank

I did not bring Brett Golden or Truth to this forum but I have invited others to come here in the past...

I don't believe that for a second...

[Speakeasy]

Using racists terms certainly is considered baiting, if it's clearly used to derail the discussion or to get a rise out of your debating opponent.

Please report any and all posts that fit this description and they will be reviewed.

The best advice for anyone is to simply avoid any thread that you don't like to see. This goes for any sort of thread, not just the racist ones. Whether we like it or not, the threads made by certain members continue to be quite popular and we will not close them down simply because they focus on an unpopular idea.

It continues to boggle my mind that the number one people who complain about these threads also appear to be the number one contributors to them.

None of the comments above are about people taking place in this thread thus far.

[Si modo]

I have few problems with Frank. I do find his views terribly distasteful, but I imagine some find my views distasteful. That's what makes horse races.

If I were in Frank's shoes, I would want the others to leave this forum, too. Although Frank's views are distasteful to most of us here, he argues well, he does not engage in cheap shots, and he stays away from the overly inflamatory rhetoric. Bottom line, Frank knows how to deliver an unattractive message. He is very dangerous in that respect, IMO. The others bring him down and highlight his distasteful associations so it seems like it would be in his interest to see the others go, too.

[pramjockey]

It's not the "unpopular idea" that I'm taking issue with. It's the constant barrage of "wigger," "nigger," and "kike" (and associated pejoratives). These words, and the way that they're being used, are nothing more than a means to intimidate, bait, and harass other members of the forums. They make the forums an unwelcoming environment to potential new people, while giving us a bad reputation as a whole. Their use, for the most part, is not contributing to the forum, and is creating an atmosphere of hostility that is rubbing off on the rest of the forum.