Slow days ? ... ?

[partofme]

I think it is just that the democratic primary dragged on for too long. Interest will pick up later on.

[Captain Trips]

Originally Posted by partofme

I think it is just that the democratic primary dragged on for too long. Interest will pick up later on.

That's definitely part of it.

And it had to be so stinking comical with hilary refusing to give up even though it was obvious that she hadn't a chance.

I was saying that last year when she STARTED her ridiculous antics to try and drag billy boy into the whitehouse again.

What a farce. What a shenanigan.

U.S. Politics, my God

[partofme]

Originally Posted by Captain Trips

That's definitely part of it.

And it had to be so stinking comical with hilary refusing to give up even though it was obvious that she hadn't a chance.

I was saying that last year when she STARTED her ridiculous antics to try and drag billy boy into the whitehouse again.

What a farce. What a shenanigan.

U.S. Politics, my God

But other than that I'm still into the process. I would take Obama over Kerry and McCain over Bush so no matter what the results will be better this time around.

[Captain Trips]

Originally Posted by partofme

But other than that I'm still into the process. I would take Obama over Kerry and McCain over Bush so no matter what the results will be better this time around.

Well yeah, the results HAVE to be better this time around.

Reminds me of the Sat. night live, or maybe it was Mad tv, skit called "Lowered expectations"

I don't see how it could possibly get lower after THIS round though.

Maybe I'll be UN-pleasantly surprised

[partofme]

Originally Posted by Captain Trips

Well yeah, the results HAVE to be better this time around.

Reminds me of the Sat. night live, or maybe it was Mad tv, skit called "Lowered expectations"

I don't see how it could possibly get lower after THIS round though.

Maybe I'll be UN-pleasantly surprised

I don't really see what you mean. McCain is hardly proven to be very capable and Obama while inexperienced has shown to be amazing to accomplish much in little time and his campaign has been quite impressive. He did beat one of the most successful political machines of modern time after all. True we do not have a typical republican and a established democrat but that is what makes me respect them. I would much rather have this than generic republican vs. generic democrat that tow the party lines and act like the other side of the isles is no less than mortal enemies.

[Captain Trips]

Originally Posted by partofme

I don't really see what you mean. McCain is hardly proven to be very capable and Obama while inexperienced has shown to be amazing to accomplish much in little time and his campaign has been quite impressive. He did beat one of the most successful political machines of modern time after all.

Yes, well that's just it. Obama beating hilary isn't at all impressive to me.

I knew from the very outset that hilary didn't have a snowballs chance in hell. Even against a black man.

People don't want the clintons running the show again. No way in HELL. That's why Obama got where he is. That's the main reason. Of course he is charismatic and good with language.

That doesn't mean we want him as our president though. He's FAR too leftist.

But against Mcain ?

It could go either way.

Originally Posted by partofme

True we do not have a typical republican and a established democrat but that is what makes me respect them. I would much rather have this than generic republican vs. generic democrat that tow the party lines and act like the other side of the isles is no less than mortal enemies.

We'll watch and see how the next 6 months play out and see.

[partofme]

Originally Posted by Captain Trips

Yes, well that's just it. Obama beating hilary isn't at all impressive to me.

I knew from the very outset that hilary didn't have a snowballs chance in hell. Even against a black man.

People don't want the clintons running the show again. No way in HELL. That's why Obama got where he is. That's the main reason. Of course he is charismatic and good with language.

That doesn't mean we want him as our president though. He's FAR too leftist.

But against Mcain ?

It could go either way.



We'll watch and see how the next 6 months play out and see.

Well it isn't like she lost by a large margin. In fact if the democratic primary had the same winner take all system that the republicans have she would have won.

[Sunshine]

A body goes to was his car, and misses such depth.

[noahath]

Originally Posted by Captain Trips

The media - both news and entertainment - are creators and sustainers of what most of us perceive as reality.

And any one that is paying close attention can clearly see that what the media and news feed us is FAR FROM reality.

Why do you suppose that is ?

Something to think about isn't it ?

We are living in the "age of celebrity", and the media are just as caught up in that as the buyers of People magazine. Reporters are no longer content to report the news, but now want to make the news. This is why we have seen the sudden upsurge in interest in exit polls, as stations feel the need to be the first to break a result - irrespective4 of whether it's factually correct or not. It's now about being first, rather than being accurate. This (I feel) has removed much the quality from the political debate. It's now less about what you say, and more about how you say it. Prior to the age of celebrification (and I'm not talking about pre-tv; we only need to go back as far as the mid-70s to find this point) it didn't really matter what a candidate looked like, as people were more interested in what was being said, and how it would affect them in their daily life. In modern times, we could have a Nobel Prize winning economist, with an IQ of 200+, but if he looked like he (or she) fell from the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down, then there'd be no way that they'd be elected. This is the disappointing modern phenomenon in politics, and I don't think it's going to improve anytime soon; indeed I suspect it's only going to get worse. We are going to see more and more candidates of lesser and lesser quality, whose sole qualification for running for public office will be their ability to be elected.

[Sunshine]

Originally Posted by noahath

We are living in the "age of celebrity", and the media are just as caught up in that as the buyers of People magazine. Reporters are no longer content to report the news, but now want to make the news. This is why we have seen the sudden upsurge in interest in exit polls, as stations feel the need to be the first to break a result - irrespective4 of whether it's factually correct or not. It's now about being first, rather than being accurate. This (I feel) has removed much the quality from the political debate. It's now less about what you say, and more about how you say it. Prior to the age of celebrification (and I'm not talking about pre-tv; we only need to go back as far as the mid-70s to find this point) it didn't really matter what a candidate looked like, as people were more interested in what was being said, and how it would affect them in their daily life. In modern times, we could have a Nobel Prize winning economist, with an IQ of 200+, but if he looked like he (or she) fell from the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down, then there'd be no way that they'd be elected. This is the disappointing modern phenomenon in politics, and I don't think it's going to improve anytime soon; indeed I suspect it's only going to get worse. We are going to see more and more candidates of lesser and lesser quality, whose sole qualification for running for public office will be their ability to be elected.

Yes, this is true. I have taught at the college level and the more one looks like Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie, the more he/she is perceived to know by the student body.

[iamwhatiseem]

I don't know about this...sure more people use to vote, but did they even know why they were pulling the D or R lever?
Wives used to vote for whoever their husband voted for, kids growing up used to overwhelmingly vote as their parents did.

I really can't see any evidence that people were more interested in politics before.

[Sunshine]

Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

I don't know about this...sure more people use to vote, but did they even know why they were pulling the D or R lever?
Wives used to vote for whoever their husband voted for, kids growing up used to overwhelmingly vote as their parents did.

I really can't see any evidence that people were more interested in politics before.

I don't know. If you could have seen some of my relatives almost come to blows after Sunday dinner..................

[Si modo]

Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

I don't know about this...sure more people use to vote, but did they even know why they were pulling the D or R lever?
Wives used to vote for whoever their husband voted for, kids growing up used to overwhelmingly vote as their parents did.

I really can't see any evidence that people were more interested in politics before.

You must not be from an Irish-American family, then. Some great fights about politics growing, I witnessed. It was lively.

[iamwhatiseem]

Originally Posted by Si modo

You must not be from an Irish-American family, then. Some great fights about politics growing, I witnessed. It was lively.

German-American actually, my family talks about politics far more than any other family I have met in 43 years.
My mother and father's side are both German...and I would agree with what you are saying...Irish and Germans tend to debate politics more than others...wonder why?

[Si modo]

Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

German-American actually, my family talks about politics far more than any other family I have met in 43 years.
My mother and father's side are both German...and I would agree with what you are saying...Irish and Germans tend to debate politics more than others...wonder why?

Good question, I don't know. But Mom and Dad rarely voted the same. My grandmother had very different politics than my great grandmother - those were always entertaining debates between those two. God help anyone who joined in on that one. And half the siblings and cousins at my level are one way, the other half the other way with my direct siblings being a 50/50 split. Maybe it's generations seeing political discussions at supper as the norm.