Slow days ? ... ?

[Captain Trips]

Does it seem like interest in "politics" and related subjects is waning ?

Maybe it's just me ?

If it isn't just me, what are your theories (if any) as to why ?

My own waning interest is due, in part, to this election cycle with the three (two now) totally unremarkable people running for president.

That, and my resignation to the idea that we'll never again have any decent people in ANY political office. They're all corrupt liars using the media to manipulate us and our thinking... and I'm sick and tired of it. Our votes and efforts don't matter when the judicial branch now legislates social polic(ies) for us from the bench. Right OVER our votes.

Why speak when you have no voice ?

Why vote when it's completely meaningless (unless we are to "vote with a bullet") ?

I'm sick and tired of it.

And I'm not yet at the point where I'll vote with a bullet.

I'm sure there are those that ARE though.

I certainlly wouldn't discourage them.

What other options do "we the people" have ?

Lot of pointless talk ?

Waste of time.

Anywho, go back to the top and read the first three sentences

[Traveler]

Nah its not just you, everyone seems uninterested.

Its to be expected though...there's only so long you can maintain that sort of intensity in something without burnout.

[Scribbler1]

And if ANY political season can induce burnout, it's this one. From the seemingly endless Democratic primary season, to the liars and phonies we were given as choices to the ultimate choice between frick and frack, this season was (is) a killer.

And my experience tells me there are lulls on ANY forum like this from time to time. It happens every year.

[Traveler]

Yeah the forum is an ebb and flow things, but with the election, straight after the mid term election finished, it seemed to kick off.

You can't have a 2 year long cycle and expect people to stay interested.

Even as short as some American's attention spans may be, 2 years is a lot to ask.

[Captain Trips]

Originally Posted by Traveler

Yeah the forum is an ebb and flow things, but with the election, straight after the mid term election finished, it seemed to kick off.

You can't have a 2 year long cycle and expect people to stay interested.

Even as short as some American's attention spans may be, 2 years is a lot to ask.

Originally Posted by Traveler

Nah its not just you, everyone seems uninterested.

Its to be expected though...there's only so long you can maintain that sort of intensity in something without burnout.

Yeah, makes sense.

Originally Posted by Scribbler1

[b]And if ANY political season can induce burnout, it's this one. From the seemingly endless Democratic primary season, to the liars and phonies we were given as choices to the ultimate choice between frick and frack, this season was (is) a killer.[b]

And my experience tells me there are lulls on ANY forum like this from time to time. It happens every year.

You got that right.

This whole cycle did nothing for me.

Other than induce periodic nausea. Seriously. I had it today.

Finally feeling better :-)

Maybe I should stop thinking of politics and politicians LOL

Maybe I'll read instead: 'The Marketing of Evil' - gets rave reviews

LOL ... shit that might kill me :-)

[Captain Trips]

Guess we'll see.

Since I AM reading it.

He's a very good author.

We'll see if I survive it :-) A test of a sort :-)

If I live you should read it.

[Traveler]

Yeah that's another reason too, for a lot of real conservatives this election is just sickenning so there goes half the participation of the forum.

If there was someone our side could rally round i'm sure you'd see more people here arguing on favor of that person.

That's why it never got boring or draining with Bush, we could just keep on fighting and making that argument all year on 04, it was so sweet...

[Captain Trips]

Originally Posted by Traveler

Yeah that's another reason too, for a lot of real conservatives this election is just sickenning so there goes half the participation of the forum.

Yeah, there's no one we can vote for.

The whole "lesser of two evils" thing.

AGAIN.

How is voting and/or politics even interesting when you only have evils to choose from ?

Originally Posted by Traveler

If there was someone our side could rally round i'm sure you'd see more people here arguing on favor of that person.

That's why it never got boring or draining with Bush, we could just keep on fighting and making that argument all year on 04, it was so sweet...

Yeah.

This cycle it's like choosing;

.. "what would you like to be bitten by ? A banded krait or an Australian tiger snake ?"

I'll just crawl under my damn porch mat and die.

Sounds fabulous.

But then, if I'm suicidal ...

.... maybe voting with a bu...

[Sunshine]

I have come to the conclusion that each party feeds the other. This will never end.

And gas $4 a gallon. There goes the motor home.

And the rationale for the 4 buck gasoline is to 'encourage the development of alternative energies.' Bullshit. I PAY the money to go to work. But I am NOT a research scientist, so how in the hell is making ME pay going to get ME to develop anything but an ulcer.

The word, I believe is not 'tired' or 'bored' or 'disgusted. The word is 'resigned.'
That would be different from 'acceptance' in that acceptance is a healthy mindset. Resignation is a type of defeat.

Yes, that's it. Resignation. Life was once wonderful and America had the world by the tail. Resignation. I would not want to be young and starting out again today. Resignation. It is going to be bad enough to be getting old and wonder where all the money I paid in for my golden years wen.

Resignation. Yes. That's it.

[noahath]

I think interest in politics might be waning somewhat due to the modern lackluster association with politics. I mean we pretty much already know what all the Dem/Republican policies are going to be in this election year; we pretty much know what Obama and McCain are going to say and so, so there's no longer any real interest in the election other than the outcome. We know at some point one party is going to drudge up dirt on the other, and vice versa. We know that the traditional race, family values, terrorism issues are going to be raised as arguments for or against voting one way or the other. I think the real interest for people who follow politics now falls to the Congressional and state-wide races. There are a number of interesting Senate races this year, which will be far more interesting than the general.

I think also that as the electorate has become more informed on issues, we are seeing less of the Eisenhower-esque "victorious president carrying politicians into Congress on their wave of electoral victory". Voters are (IMO) increasingly able to differentiate Presidential elections, from Congressional elections, from local elections etc.

I suspect also that the incredible level of partisanship in polotics might have something to do with it also. Granted there has always been partisan politics, but we have never before has the level of access to our politicians via the media that we currently have, and thus politics has become a VERY negative game. I suspect that many voters are just getting fed up with negative politics, and ultimately voting for the lesser of two poor choices. This could be why we are increasingly seeing disenfranchised voters supporting third party candidates, etc.

Anyway, just my two-bobs worth.

[Captain Trips]

Originally Posted by noahath

I think interest in politics might be waning somewhat due to the modern lackluster association with politics. I mean we pretty much already know what all the Dem/Republican policies are going to be in this election year; we pretty much know what Obama and McCain are going to say and so, so there's no longer any real interest in the election other than the outcome.

I'm not so sure we DO know what they're going to say.

Obama is young and quite charismatic and is only appealing for that reason. His socialist-leftist leanings are an extreme turn off to a good majority though.

Mcain seems even more befuddled and able to mis-speak as Bush is/was.

Not that eloquence is really a measure of who will be the best presidential candidate, but that is the generally shallow level much of the public bases it decisions on ... unfortunately.

We're more interested in "movie star" quality than we are what the person is really ABOUT. Probably part of the reason we continue getting charlatans in ALL political offices.

Good LOOKING and well SPOKEN (usually) charlatans. Liars manipulating all of us through rhetoric and the media.

U.S.

Pavlovian Conditioning 2008

The Hegelian Dialectic - The Anti-Human Principle

Revolutionaries in government have created economic chaos, shortages in food and fuel, confiscatory taxation, a crisis in education, the threat of war, and other diversions to condition Americans for the “New World Order."

The technique is as old as politics itself. It is the Hegelian Dialectic of bringing about change in a three-step process: Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis.

The first step (thesis) is to create a problem. The second step (antithesis) is to generate opposition to the problem (fear, panic and hysteria). The third step (synthesis) is to offer the solution to the problem created by step one: A change which would have been impossible to impose upon the people without the proper psychological conditioning achieved in stages one and two.

Applying the Hegelian Dialectic, and irresistible financial influence, concealed change agents seek to dismantle social and political structures by which free men govern themselves — ancient landmarks erected at great cost in blood and treasure.

Their objective is to emasculate sovereign states, merge nations under universal government, centralize economic powers, and control the world's people and resources.

It is not about the war; it is not about global warming; it is not about racism; it is not about abortion rights and homosexual rights or recession … it's about (Marxist) Revolution.

The Hegelian Dialectic

In order for the skilled word monger to control your mind, he must first seduce you away from the counter-influence of your own understanding. There are many tricks he can use to lead you into a state of doubt and confusion, the main one being to induce you to reach for a promise of glory and power equal to the godhead, a state in which you can do no wrong.

Originally Posted by noahath

We know at some point one party is going to drudge up dirt on the other, and vice versa. We know that the traditional race, family values, terrorism issues are going to be raised as arguments for or against voting one way or the other. I think the real interest for people who follow politics now falls to the Congressional and state-wide races. There are a number of interesting Senate races this year, which will be far more interesting than the general.

You're probably right on with that.

Originally Posted by noahath

I think also that as the electorate has become more informed on issues, we are seeing less of the Eisenhower-esque "victorious president carrying politicians into Congress on their wave of electoral victory". Voters are (IMO) increasingly able to differentiate Presidential elections, from Congressional elections, from local elections etc.

I suspect also that the incredible level of partisanship in polotics might have something to do with it also. Granted there has always been partisan politics, but we have never before has the level of access to our politicians via the media that we currently have, and thus politics has become a VERY negative game. I suspect that many voters are just getting fed up with negative politics, and ultimately voting for the lesser of two poor choices. This could be why we are increasingly seeing disenfranchised voters supporting third party candidates, etc.

Anyway, just my two-bobs worth.

The media - both news and entertainment - are creators and sustainers of what most of us perceive as reality.

And any one that is paying close attention can clearly see that what the media and news feed us is FAR FROM reality.

Why do you suppose that is ?

Something to think about isn't it ?

[Captain Trips]

Originally Posted by Sunshine

I have come to the conclusion that each party feeds the other. This will never end.

They "feed" each other only to "feed" US.

Originally Posted by Sunshine

And gas $4 a gallon. There goes the motor home.

And the rationale for the 4 buck gasoline is to 'encourage the development of alternative energies.' Bullshit. I PAY the money to go to work. But I am NOT a research scientist, so how in the hell is making ME pay going to get ME to develop anything but an ulcer.

The word, I believe is not 'tired' or 'bored' or 'disgusted. The word is 'resigned.'That would be different from 'acceptance' in that acceptance is a healthy mindset. Resignation is a type of defeat.

Yes, that's it. Resignation. Life was once wonderful and America had the world by the tail. Resignation. I would not want to be young and starting out again today. Resignation. It is going to be bad enough to be getting old and wonder where all the money I paid in for my golden years wen.

Resignation. Yes. That's it.

Yes, that IS it.

It's exactly how we're SUPPOSED to feel.

Resigned.

Powerless.

[Americano]

Originally Posted by Captain Trips

They "feed" each other only to "feed" US.



Yes, that IS it.

It's exactly how we're SUPPOSED to feel.

Resigned.

Powerless.

What's the alternative in a country that consumes far more than it produces and currently retains its slipping standard of living by increasing indebtedness? More cheap gasoline to sustain 5mpg motor homes utilized solely for leisure time purposes because Americans 'deserve' it?

[drgoodtrips]

Originally Posted by Captain Trips

I'm not so sure we DO know what they're going to say.

Obama is young and quite charismatic and is only appealing for that reason. His socialist-leftist leanings are an extreme turn off to a good majority though.

Mcain seems even more befuddled and able to mis-speak as Bush is/was.

Not that eloquence is really a measure of who will be the best presidential candidate, but that is the generally shallow level much of the public bases it decisions on ... unfortunately.

We're more interested in "movie star" quality than we are what the person is really ABOUT. Probably part of the reason we continue getting charlatans in ALL political offices.

Good LOOKING and well SPOKEN (usually) charlatans. Liars manipulating all of us through rhetoric and the media.

U.S.

Pavlovian Conditioning 2008

The Hegelian Dialectic - The Anti-Human Principle

Revolutionaries in government have created economic chaos, shortages in food and fuel, confiscatory taxation, a crisis in education, the threat of war, and other diversions to condition Americans for the “New World Order."

The technique is as old as politics itself. It is the Hegelian Dialectic of bringing about change in a three-step process: Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis.

The first step (thesis) is to create a problem. The second step (antithesis) is to generate opposition to the problem (fear, panic and hysteria). The third step (synthesis) is to offer the solution to the problem created by step one: A change which would have been impossible to impose upon the people without the proper psychological conditioning achieved in stages one and two.

Applying the Hegelian Dialectic, and irresistible financial influence, concealed change agents seek to dismantle social and political structures by which free men govern themselves — ancient landmarks erected at great cost in blood and treasure.

Their objective is to emasculate sovereign states, merge nations under universal government, centralize economic powers, and control the world's people and resources.

It is not about the war; it is not about global warming; it is not about racism; it is not about abortion rights and homosexual rights or recession … it's about (Marxist) Revolution.

The Hegelian Dialectic

In order for the skilled word monger to control your mind, he must first seduce you away from the counter-influence of your own understanding. There are many tricks he can use to lead you into a state of doubt and confusion, the main one being to induce you to reach for a promise of glory and power equal to the godhead, a state in which you can do no wrong.




You're probably right on with that.



The media - both news and entertainment - are creators and sustainers of what most of us perceive as reality.

And any one that is paying close attention can clearly see that what the media and news feed us is FAR FROM reality.

Why do you suppose that is ?

Something to think about isn't it ?

"New World Order"... Dude.

Given your recent and seemingly random transformation from conservative to apparent "Truther" and budding revolucionario, I'm setting the over/under for you discovering that 9/11 was a Konspiracy at two months.

[Sunshine]

Originally Posted by Americano

What's the alternative in a country that consumes far more than it produces and currently retains its slipping standard of living by increasing indebtedness? More cheap gasoline to sustain 5mpg motor homes utilized solely for leisure time purposes because Americans 'deserve' it?

"Deserve?" Oh come now.