Blasphemy as a forum rule violation

[Miranda]

Originally Posted by Si modo

Curiosity got the best of me and I looked up Jesus food. Someone has quite the sense of humor:

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Seriously, I could give a damn if Yoda in all his greenness appeared on that crepe, they better have had eaten it. It looks tasty. And besides, in times like those you are supposed to ask yourself WWJD.

And damnt, Jesus would have picked up his fork!

[metalted]

Originally Posted by Kash

Wow, if you think one of the goals of Islam is the eradication of Christianity, you really don't know squat about Islam. I would highly recommend you stop reading whatever drivel it is that you claim to be your sources for information regarding Islam.

And what do you know about Islam?

[Kash]

Quite a bit considering I was raised as a Muslim, though of course, I have seen the error of my ways in regard to all religion, so don't think my apostasy has anything to do with Islam itself

I'd also like to state that I've done a lot of studying when it comes to religion, especially Islam. I'm talking college courses here, along with hundreds, if not thousands, of hours of personal study. So if you'd like some real information about Islam rather than whatever nonsense you've been reading, I'll be more than happy to oblige.

[Pogo]

Originally Posted by Miranda

Seriously, I could give a damn if Yoda in all his greenness appeared on that crepe, they better have had eaten it. It looks tasty. And besides, in times like those you are supposed to ask yourself WWJD.

And damnt, Jesus would have picked up his fork!

I wonder if Jesus suffered the delusion that God talked to him?

[Steve]

Just remember:

[metalted]

Originally Posted by Kash

Quite a bit considering I was raised as a Muslim, though of course, I have seen the error of my ways in regard to all religion, so don't think my apostasy has anything to do with Islam itself

I'd also like to state that I've done a lot of studying when it comes to religion, especially Islam. I'm talking college courses here, along with hundreds, if not thousands, of hours of personal study. So if you'd like some real information about Islam rather than whatever nonsense you've been reading, I'll be more than happy to oblige.

So you would not be one to tell me that Islam is only the five pillars, and then constantly remind me the 'true' meaning of Jihad?

I am not even sure how one could defend Islam from rational point of view if one understands it so well. Most muslims seem to talk in circles and ignore my tough questions.

Of course I don't even know if they understand the points they bring about.


You would have to agree that Islam stands or falls on whether or not Christianity has been 'corrupted' and Muhammad came to correct the errors of the Christians correct?

[Pogo]

Ted, the obvious truth is that no religion withstands tough questioning.

The fact that you are solely focussed on only one religion shows clearly that you are blinded by bias. But then, you've never been one to hide your bias.

[metalted]

Originally Posted by Pogo

Ted, the obvious truth is that no religion withstands tough questioning.

The fact that you are solely focussed on only one religion shows clearly that you are blinded by bias. But then, you've never been one to hide your bias.

I can answer most tough questions regarding mine.

[Pogo]

Originally Posted by metalted

I can answer most tough questions regarding mine.

No dogma withstands scrutiny, Ted. Period.

[Kash]

Originally Posted by metalted

So you would not be one to tell me that Islam is only the five pillars, and then constantly remind me the 'true' meaning of Jihad?

I am not even sure how one could defend Islam from rational point of view if one understands it so well. Most muslims seem to talk in circles and ignore my tough questions.

Of course I don't even know if they understand the points they bring about.


You would have to agree that Islam stands or falls on whether or not Christianity has been 'corrupted' and Muhammad came to correct the errors of the Christians correct?

No, I'm not the kind who's going to spit out the drivel that Muslims are indoctrinated with at a young age. :P

I didn't say I was going to defend it. I said I was going to present you with an accurate view of what Islam is. Just because I don't believe in religion doesn't mean we can go ahead and vilify it all we want. Religions react that way to atheists and nonbelievers, so if I engaged in that very behavior, then how would I be any better?

Islam doesn't rely upon the decimation of Christianity as a foundation. It simply wishes to bring back the Abrahamic form of monotheism, which did not involve a trinity or any other association with God. That is the fundamental core of Islam. It can cohabit with Judaism and Christianity without needing to force them to convert. In fact, in the initial expansive years of Islam, the years which tend to be most orthodox for any religion, conversion was actually not encouraged due to the taxes the rulers would gain from non-Muslims. Don't think of this as any sort of punishment, for the Muslim citizens had a religious tax, so the jizyah was created as a way for non-Muslims to also pay taxes. Contrary to what you may have heard, Islam was not spread by the sword.

However, there are many inconsistencies in the Quran as there are with every religious text, that led me to disavow any and all religion. So it's not as though I discovered something in Islam that was unique to renege on it, but rather it shared a common trait with Christianity and Judaism in its illogical assertions.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by metalted

I can answer most tough questions regarding mine.

No shit?

I asked you a pretty simple one earlier today, and you failed to provide an answer, instead making up some bullshit about "researching" it. If you can answer "most tough questions" about your religion, the one I asked you should've been a breeze.

I'm also wondering if you've given any consideration to the tip I offered you earlier...

[metalted]

Originally Posted by John Drake

OK fine, Prime Mover. Universe had to come from something, Something was god.

You're begging the question, where did GOD come from? If he's just...eternal, well, why couldn't the Universe just be eternal?

You're doing argument from order but it's still the same. The Universe has to be orderly, or we wouldn't be here to see it.

And Universe isn't orderly, on the whole, in any case

You could not demonstrate how Universe could be eternal and self sustaining and self creating without intelligence.

I believe in a Creator that exist above and beyond this physical observable and testable world. In similiar fashion that a programer exists outside of Pac Man. The boundries established by the creator are the natural laws/time/space ect. can not be applied in the same way to God because He is the programer existing in another completely alien system we can not observe, nor understand in the same way a two dimentional Pac Man set in the boundries and laws we created for it.. could never observe or understand our three dimensional universe.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by metalted

I believe in a Creator that exist above and beyond this physical observable and testable world. In similiar fashion that a programer exists outside of Pac Man.

You mean god is a smoker who lives in a house with bad paneling??

[metalted]

Originally Posted by Steve

No shit?

I asked you a pretty simple one earlier today, and you failed to provide an answer, instead making up some bullshit about "researching" it. If you can answer "most tough questions" about your religion, the one I asked you should've been a breeze.

I'm also wondering if you've given any consideration to the tip I offered you earlier...

The resurrection of Jesus was also declared in numerous other accounts, including the appearance of Jesus to Mary Magdalene (John 20:10-18), to other women (Matthew 28:8-10), to Cleopas and his companion (Luke 24:13-32), to eleven disciples and others (Luke 24:33-49), to ten apostles and others (excluding Thomas) (John 20:19-23), to the apostles (including Thomas) (John 20:26-30), to seven apostles (John 21:1-14), to the disciples (Matthew 28:16-20), and to the apostles on the Mount of Olives (Luke 24:50-52 and Acts 1:4-9)

Christians were beaten, stoned to death, thrown to the lions, tortured and crucified. Every conceivable method was used to stop them from talking.

Yet, they laid down their lives as the ultimate proof of their complete confidence in the truth of their message.

Resurrection Of Jesus

Evidence for the Resurrection

[Steve]

Originally Posted by metalted

The resurrection of Jesus was also declared in numerous other accounts, including the appearance of Jesus to Mary Magdalene (John 20:10-18), to other women (Matthew 28:8-10), to Cleopas and his companion (Luke 24:13-32), to eleven disciples and others (Luke 24:33-49), to ten apostles and others (excluding Thomas) (John 20:19-23), to the apostles (including Thomas) (John 20:26-30), to seven apostles (John 21:1-14), to the disciples (Matthew 28:16-20), and to the apostles on the Mount of Olives (Luke 24:50-52 and Acts 1:4-9)

Christians were beaten, stoned to death, thrown to the lions, tortured and crucified. Every conceivable method was used to stop them from talking.

Yet, they laid down their lives as the ultimate proof of their complete confidence in the truth of their message.

Resurrection Of Jesus

Evidence for the Resurrection

That doesn't answer the question.

Did any of those who supposedly saw the risen jesus write down their personal experiences in the bible?

I know what John, Matthew, Luke wrote in the bible. I also know what they didn't write...