Blasphemy as a forum rule violation

[metalted]

Isaiah. Date Written - c. 698 B.C. Based upon the period in which Isaiah prophesied it would put Isaiah in the years of 740 - 698 B.C.

Isaiah 53

The Suffering Servant

1Who has believed our message?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot,
And like a root out of parched ground;
He has no stately form or majesty
That we should look upon Him,
Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
3He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.
5But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.
6All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him.
7He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He did not open His mouth;
Like a lamb that is led to slaughter,
And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers,
So He did not open His mouth.
8By oppression and judgment He was taken away;
And as for His generation, who considered
That He was cut off out of the land of the living
For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due?
9His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a )rich man in His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.
10But the LORD was pleased
To crush Him,putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
11As a result of the anguish of His soul,
He will see it and be satisfied;
By His knowledge the Righteous One,
My Servant, will justify the many,
As He will bear their iniquities.
12Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great,
And He will divide the booty with the strong;
Because He poured out Himself to death,
And was numbered with the transgressors;
Yet He Himself bore the sin of many,
And interceded for the transgressors.

[metalted]

Originally Posted by Steve

What prophecies? What miracles? What personal experiences?

Bible Ezekiel 35:5

"Because you have had everlasting Hatred and have delivered the sons of Israel to the power of the sword at the time of their calamity, at the time of the punishment of the end,

therefore as I live," declares the Lord GOD, "I will give you over to bloodshed, and bloodshed will pursue you; since you have not hated bloodshed, therefore bloodshed will pursue you.
popular slogans "ask for death!" and "You love life, and we love Death!

Then it goes on to say how He will make Mount Seir a desolation, a waste and a ruin.. I believe thats in Jordan area...

"I will fill its mountains with its slain; on your hills and in your valleys and in all your ravines those slain by the sword will fall. "I will make you an everlasting desolation and your cities will not be inhabited. Then you will know that I am the LORD.



Further..


therefore as I live," declares the Lord GOD, "I will deal with you according to your anger and according to your envy which you showed because of your hatred against them; so I will make Myself known among them when I judge you.

12"Then you will know that I, the LORD, have heard all your revilings which you have spoken against the mountains of Israel saying, 'They are laid desolate; they are given to us for food.'

13"And you have spoken arrogantly against Me and have multiplied your words against Me; I have heard it."

14'Thus says the Lord GOD, "As all the earth rejoices, I will make you a desolation.

[Steve]

You've officially gone off the fuckin' deep end, pal.

You can offer nothing except what you're able to cut and paste from the bible. Nothing. What's more, that which you have offered is meaningless to this discussion. When asked simple question, a miserable failure of a response was all you could muster. You've proven that you don't know nearly as much about the bible as you'd like us to think you do. What's more, you're unable to accept the fact that there are people here, who don't believe what's written in the bible, who actually know more about what's contained in the bible than you.

I don't know what the fuck those last two posts of your were supposed to mean, but I think you'd better get the fuck outta' the heat...

[metalted]

Originally Posted by Steve

You've officially gone off the fuckin' deep end, pal.

You can offer nothing except what you're able to cut and paste from the bible. Nothing. What's more, that which you have offered is meaningless to this discussion. When asked simple question, a miserable failure of a response was all you could muster. You've proven that you don't know nearly as much about the bible as you'd like us to think you do. What's more, you're unable to accept the fact that there are people here, who don't believe what's written in the bible, who actually know more about what's contained in the bible than you.

I don't know what the fuck those last two posts of your were supposed to mean, but I think you'd better get the fuck outta' the heat...

those were prophecies. first is old testament prophecy of Jesus Christ as the suffering servant. This is reason why I don't tend to discuss this with people who are hostile to the faith, unless they ask.

I am perfectly in knowledge that people don't believe in the Bible as I do. I answered small part of the question as to why I believe by giving examples of prophecy thats riddled throughout the Book. I understand the language in the Bible can be difficult to understand. Which I intended to simplify it by bolding necessary points to grasp.

I didn't post final part of my answer because, I didn't feel it was necessary to drive point to hostile audience.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by metalted

those were prophecies. first is old testament prophecy of Jesus Christ as the suffering servant. This is reason why I don't tend to discuss this with people who are hostile to the faith, unless they ask.

I am perfectly in knowledge that people don't believe in the Bible as I do. I answered small part of the question as to why I believe by giving examples of prophecy thats riddled throughout the Book. I understand the language in the Bible can be difficult to understand. Which I intended to simplify it by bolding necessary points to grasp.

I didn't post final part of my answer because, I didn't feel it was necessary to drive point to hostile audience.

You're flailing.

First, you seem to think all I said was that there are people who don't believe in the bible. You need to wrap your head around the fact that there are people who don't believe in the bible, yet know far more about it than you do.

Examples from the bible are proof of nothing. The bible is a story; nothing more.

Can you cite anything, outside of what the bible tells you to say, that would be indicative of a miracle or a prophecy? How about your personal experiences?

Anything of substance?

Likely not; christians rarely discuss these matters with a foothold in substance...

[Si modo]

So, Ted. What do you think about the OP? You know, where a person of another religion demands that we be censored based on his beliefs of what is blaspheme? Do you have any comment about that? Or, is the thread going to be more preaching by you so that the point of the thread is completely lost? That point, of course, is that another religious dude is demanding that those who post and practice that wonderful freedom of speech granted us in our Constitution be censored based on that dude's religion? Any comment whatsoever???????????????????

Originally Posted by MattLarson

(Note - this post was moved into a new thread out of a closed thread in War and Peace, to discuss the concept of "xxxxxphobia" as a rule violation"



You finally figured it out - there is no rule violation here for "Islamophobia".

If you wish to champion the cause of Islam, you'll have to do it on a level ground here. People are free to question Islam as they please, just as they can question any other faith. The staff here are not going to enforce any religious dogma here - regardless of faith.

So you can either accept the fact that others here may not respect your religion, or you can go find some isolated forum where only pro-Islam comments are permitted.

Just as I would not allow someone to censor your expressions of belief, I will not assist you in censoring anything that offends the rules of your religion.

Matt

Holy Mary

[metalted]

Originally Posted by Steve

You're flailing.

First, you seem to think all I said was that there are people who don't believe in the bible. You need to wrap your head around the fact that there are people who don't believe in the bible, yet know far more about it than you do.

Examples from the bible are proof of nothing. The bible is a story; nothing more.

Can you cite anything, outside of what the bible tells you to say, that would be indicative of a miracle or a prophecy? How about your personal experiences?

Anything of substance?

Likely not; christians rarely discuss these matters with a foothold in substance...

You want a prophecy outside the Bible? How about the Catholic Saints.
These prophecies are told in a Christian perspective but predict the fall of Christianity to secular ideas, great wars and advance of technology.

St. Vincent Ferrer (14th Century):
"In the days of peace that are to come after the desolation of revolutions and wars, before the end of the world, the Christians will become so lax in their religion that they will refuse to receive the Sacrament of Confirmation, saying, 'It is an unnecessary Sacrament.'"

Maria Laach Monastery (16th Century):
"The twentieth century will bring death and destruction, apostasy from the Church, discord in families, cities and governments; it will be the century of three great wars with intervals of a few decades. They will become ever more devastating and bloody and will lay in ruins not only Germany, but finally all countries of East and West."

"After a terrible defeat of Germany will follow the next great war. There will be no bread for people anymore and no fodder for animals. Poisonous clouds, manufactured by human hands, will sink down and exterminate everything. The human mind will be seized by insanity."

Blessed Rembordt (18th Century)
"God will punish the world when men have devised marvelous inventions that will lead them to forget God. They will have horseless carriages; they will fly like birds."

Matthias Stormberger (1830)
Born.Rabenstein - German Peasant mystic who lived a rural existance on the edge of a forset and made various predictions about future technology, the coming of railways to his village and the start of WWI.

"And after the end of the Second Great War, a third universal conflagration will come, so that it will determine everything. There will be weapons totally new. In one day, more men will die than in all the previous wars. The battles will be accomplished with artificial weapons. Gigantic catastrophes will happen. With the open eyes, the nations of the planet will go through these catastrophes. They won't know what is happening, and those that know and tell, will be silenced. Everything will be different from before, and in many places the Earth will be a great cemetery. The third war will be the end of many nations". "You, my children, won't experience the largest mischief, you, my grandchildren, won't also experience it, but the third stock, that will easily experience it."

.... "But it is still long time, till it will happen, then no humans will know anymore, where "Zwiesel" and where "Rabenstein" (German towns) have been...."After these events it will be a miracle, if one still sees two or three rulers going together, after these events the carity will be anew, and those who survived, will face a good time for hope....."

[metalted]

Originally Posted by Si modo

So, Ted. What do you think about the OP? You know, where a person of another religion demands that we be censored based on his beliefs of what is blaspheme? Do you have any comment about that? Or, is the thread going to be more preaching by you so that the point of the thread is completely lost? That point, of course, is that another religious dude is demanding that those who post and practice that wonderful freedom of speech granted us in our Constitution be censored based on that dude's religion? Any comment whatsoever???????????????????


Holy Mary

Nothing should be censored everything that can be debated should be.

[metalted]

Originally Posted by metalted

Nothing should be censored everything that can be debated should be.

I think this thread is a continuation of the thread I started that was locked SI Modo. So these people would have questioned Christianity anyway And I would have responded. because that thread was locked the discussion of which this thread was inspired by was continued here.

[Si modo]

Originally Posted by metalted

Nothing should be censored everything that can be debated should be.

In the proper thread. Start a preaching thread.

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[metalted]

Originally Posted by Si modo

In the proper thread. Start a preaching thread.

This is a continuation of another thread I started that was locked.

[Si modo]

Originally Posted by metalted

This is a continuation of another thread I started that was locked.

Could that have been a hint to you? Cutting and pasting repeatedly, is not an effective method of persuasive speech.

[metalted]

Originally Posted by Si modo

Could that have been a hint to you? Cutting and pasting repeatedly, is not an effective method of persuasive speech.

I wrote the essay for my writing class, he just spotted it in the first forum I posted it in.

[Si modo]

To add, just one more time then I am done, your emotional needs to continue preaching after your thread was closed has completely deflected the initial and egregious demand by another religious dude to censor us. Kinda self-serving, I must say. Sorry.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by metalted

You want a prophecy outside the Bible? How about the Catholic Saints.
These prophecies are told in a Christian perspective but predict the fall of Christianity to secular ideas, great wars and advance of technology.

St. Vincent Ferrer (14th Century):
"In the days of peace that are to come after the desolation of revolutions and wars, before the end of the world, the Christians will become so lax in their religion that they will refuse to receive the Sacrament of Confirmation, saying, 'It is an unnecessary Sacrament.'"

Maria Laach Monastery (16th Century):
"The twentieth century will bring death and destruction, apostasy from the Church, discord in families, cities and governments; it will be the century of three great wars with intervals of a few decades. They will become ever more devastating and bloody and will lay in ruins not