Blasphemy as a forum rule violation

[metalted]

Originally Posted by Steve

More than one of those is now proven to be untrue.

Was Stormberger a saint?

Also, christianity remains one of the strongest, if not the strongest, religions on the planet. As the "prophecies" above all seem to deal with the fall of christianity, I'd say they were all pretty much worthless.

But, hey, if you wanna' believe that "all countries of the east and west" will lay in ruins in the 20th century, more power to ya'...

its a war between the western powers and the east.
Fall of christianity refers to people becoming lax in their faith. Its the fall of Christian morality and Piety. You have an idea that some crazy televangelist speaks for christians. But in reality most people are christian in this country, even if they barely express it. Most people on the street has some idea of faith in Christ but barely knows anything about it or practices it when its convienant. thats not the way it used to be.

[Si modo]

Originally Posted by metalted

its a war between the western powers and the east.
Fall of christianity refers to people becoming lax in their faith. Its the fall of Christian morality and Piety. You have an idea that some crazy televangelist speaks for christians. But in reality most people are christian in this country, even if they barely express it. Most people on the street has some idea of faith in Christ but barely knows anything about it or practices it when its convienant. thats not the way it used to be.

Off topic.

[metalted]

Originally Posted by Si modo

Off topic.

I don't think you can reclaim this topic. sorry si modo. I tried to get them to unlock my thread, But I can't let condemnations go uanswered.

[Si modo]

Originally Posted by metalted

I don't think you can reclaim this topic. sorry si modo. I tried to get them to unlock my thread, But I can't let condemnations go uanswered.

Quite selfish on your part. One can only hope the mods clean this place up and delete your pages of off-topic posts.

[metalted]

Every Holy Saturday (Saturday of the Holy Week) at noon in the church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem recurs the GREAT MIRACLE OF THE HOLY LIGHT (or holy fire, άγιο φως in greek) that stirs, affects rejoices and gives delight and faith to those who have the honour and blessing to be there for the ceremony of the Holy Light. The fire does not burn when you touch it for several minutes. Its been reported to jump from candle to candle without being lit.

People Chanting and waiting for it to occur..

YouTube - Holy Fire 2007- clip 1


Examples of people touching fire without being burned.
YouTube - Holy Light doesn't burn 2

YouTube - Holy Fire: Pilgrim washes his beard in the fire

YouTube - Holy Light doesn't burn 1


In USA today Thousands gather in Jerusalem for Orthodox 'holy fire' - USATODAY.com

original story of how it came to be..


The Miracle of the Holy Fire in Jerusalem



My testimony. I believe in God as of several months ago from really analyzing the Bible and prophecy. He is real, I have seen many things, I was taken over by spirits. I have Felt awesome presence of God. It really is so amazing I cant explain it. When I am near statue of Mary I smell roses. When I pray the rosary I smell roses. I can see things from outside this world.

If you are interested in more miraculous videos or pictures to test you can always search on google or youtube for more. Look for evidence of Ghosts/demons (they are same thing)
Marian Apartitions, All kinds of things.

I am done now with this. I hope you see it someday as real as I do.

good bye.

[Si modo]

Originally Posted by metalted

Every Holy Saturday (Saturday of the Holy Week) at noon in the church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem recurs the GREAT MIRACLE OF THE HOLY LIGHT (or holy fire, Üãéï öùò in greek) that stirs, affects rejoices and gives delight and faith to those who have the honour and blessing to be there for the ceremony of the Holy Light. The fire does not burn when you touch it for several minutes. Its been reported to jump from candle to candle without being lit.

People Chanting and waiting for it to occur..

YouTube - Holy Fire 2007- clip 1


Examples of people touching fire without being burned.
YouTube - Holy Light doesn't burn 2

YouTube - Holy Fire: Pilgrim washes his beard in the fire

YouTube - Holy Light doesn't burn 1


In USA today Thousands gather in Jerusalem for Orthodox 'holy fire' - USATODAY.com

original story of how it came to be..


The Miracle of the Holy Fire in Jerusalem



My testimony. I believe in God as of several months ago from really analyzing the Bible and prophecy. He is real, I have seen many things, I was taken over by spirits. I have Felt awesome presence of God. It really is so amazing I cant explain it. When I am near statue of Mary I smell roses. When I pray the rosary I smell roses. I can see things from outside this world.

If you are interested in more miraculous videos or pictures to test you can always search on google or youtube for more. Look for evidence of Ghosts/demons (they are same thing)
Marian Apartitions, All kinds of things.

I am done now with this. I hope you see it someday as real as I do.

good bye.

Off topic.

[Sunshine]

Originally Posted by MattLarson

(Note - this post was moved into a new thread out of a closed thread in War and Peace, to discuss the concept of "xxxxxphobia" as a rule violation"



You finally figured it out - there is no rule violation here for "Islamophobia".

If you wish to champion the cause of Islam, you'll have to do it on a level ground here. People are free to question Islam as they please, just as they can question any other faith. The staff here are not going to enforce any religious dogma here - regardless of faith.

So you can either accept the fact that others here may not respect your religion, or you can go find some isolated forum where only pro-Islam comments are permitted.

Just as I would not allow someone to censor your expressions of belief, I will not assist you in censoring anything that offends the rules of your religion.

Matt

By our standards, Mohammed was a pedophile. Ok. lets' see how long I last here.

[Kash]

Originally Posted by metalted

There is Nothing wrong with the Titles, I am saying that for the benefit of reading The Koran in Context. for example I will post 8-12 to 8-19 For reading in Context.

[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
[8.13] This is because they acted adversely to Allah and His Apostle; and whoever acts adversely to Allah and His Apostle-- then surely Allah is severe in requiting (evil).
[8.14] This-- taste it, and (know) that for the unbelievers is the chastisement of fire.
[8.15] O you who believe! when you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them.
[8.16] And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day-- unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company-- then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be.
[8.17] So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy), but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
[8.18] This, and that Allah is the weakener of the struggle of the unbelievers.
[8.19] If you demanded a judgment, the judgment has then indeed come to you; and if you desist, it will be better for you; and if you turn back (to fight), We (too) shall turn back, and your forces shall avail you nothing, though they may be many, and (know) that Allah is with the believers.

For starters, you missed the first verse of that section:

8:11 - When He made slumber fall on you as a security from Him, and sent
down upon you water from the clouds that He might thereby purify you, and take away from you the uncleanness of the devil, and that He might fortify your hearts and make firm (your) feet thereby.

As you can see in light of context, the only call for violence is to God's angels. The rest of the verses focus on God's wrath. It should be evident now how taking a verse out of context seriously distorts the original message.

Do you have any Idea where one can get reputable Hadiths?

There are several bound compilations that can be either purchased or borrowed at libraries (at least at university libraries). However, before one begins looking through Hadiths, it would be wise to first acquaint oneself with terminologies. There are three major categories. When a Hadith is sound, it is referred to as sahih, when it is average, it is referred to as hasan, and when a Hadith is weak, it is referred to as da'if. Each of these categories has several subcategories, but I'm not going to get into that.

When it comes to lines of transmission, you're going to have to look at bound copies as there aren't many English versions of these available online, mostly in Arabic. Even having this line in front of you isn't enough, because when it comes to the average Hadiths, you need to know something about each transmitter to determine for yourself whether or not you find that person to be a trustworthy source.

As you can tell, there is a lot of work involved in finding reputable Hadiths. Combined with various verses in the Quran stating that non-Quranic sources should essentially be ignored, you can see why I find this whole Hadith business to be rather dubious.

[Si modo]

Originally Posted by Kash

For starters, you missed the first verse of that section:

8:11 - When He made slumber fall on you as a security from Him, and sent
down upon you water from the clouds that He might thereby purify you, and take away from you the uncleanness of the devil, and that He might fortify your hearts and make firm (your) feet thereby.

As you can see in light of context, the only call for violence is to God's angels. The rest of the verses focus on God's wrath. It should be evident now how taking a verse out of context seriously distorts the original message.



There are several bound compilations that can be either purchased or borrowed at libraries (at least at university libraries). However, before one begins looking through Hadiths, it would be wise to first acquaint oneself with terminologies. There are three major categories. When a Hadith is sound, it is referred to as sahih, when it is average, it is referred to as hasan, and when a Hadith is weak, it is referred to as da'if. Each of these categories has several subcategories, but I'm not going to get into that.

When it comes to lines of transmission, you're going to have to look at bound copies as there aren't many English versions of these available online, mostly in Arabic. Even having this line in front of you isn't enough, because when it comes to the average Hadiths, you need to know something about each transmitter to determine for yourself whether or not you find that person to be a trustworthy source.

As you can tell, there is a lot of work involved in finding reputable Hadiths. Combined with various verses in the Quran stating that non-Quranic sources should essentially be ignored, you can see why I find this whole Hadith business to be rather dubious.

Off topic.

[Kash]

Originally Posted by Sunshine

By our standards, Mohammed was a pedophile. Ok. lets' see how long I last here.

By OUR standards, most certainly. However, in ancient times, puberty was sufficient age for consummation, so Muhammad wasn't especially a child molester as his youngest wife was of proper age, albeit very young according to us, for consummation.

[Kash]

Originally Posted by Si modo

Off topic.

Yes, we get it, we're not discussing the original topic anymore. You constantly telling people that their statements are off-topic isn't going to get them to stop. Until a moderator comes in and either splits this topic, closes it, or tells us to return to the topic at hand, you need to shut your trap.

[Si modo]

Originally Posted by Kash

Yes, we get it, we're not discussing the original topic anymore. You constantly telling people that their statements are off-topic isn't going to get them to stop. Until a moderator comes in and either splits this topic, closes it, or tells us to return to the topic at hand, you need to shut your trap.

Shut my trap. That's funny, kid.

Congrats, you just broke a rule again. That's the off-topic rule and your attitude bought you a report.

Here are the rules: Forum Rules! - You must read.

You need to read them as you are breaking them at an alarming frequency.

Note that "Blasphemy as a forum rule violation" is the topic for discussion; that is not currently a rule.

[Kash]

This has been going on for 19 pages with several moderators chiming in, so if it were really as big of a deal as you're making it out to be, don't you think one of them would have mentioned something a couple pages ago?

Also, I have read the rules, and besides your stretching of the off-topic rule, I don't seem to be breaking any rules. But hey, what do I know, I'm just a "kid"

[Si modo]

Originally Posted by Kash

This has been going on for 19 pages with several moderators chiming in, so if it were really as big of a deal as you're making it out to be, don't you think one of them would have mentioned something a couple pages ago?

Off topic again.

Here is the topic: Blasphemy as a forum rule violation.

Do you have any comment or are you going to continue with off topic posts?

[Si modo]

Originally Posted by Kash

Go back a couple pages and you'll see my contribution to the thread.

Irrelevant (not your previous posts though - hint) and off topic again. See how that works?

Here is the topic: Blasphemy as a forum rule violation. I'll comment on it again: It is beyond arrogant to impose one's religious beliefs on the rights to free speech granted by the Constitution.