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Well perhaps. But interestingly enough I happened to find God while arguing on these forums while back. While researching Islam I was comparing it to the Bible, because Islam claims to correct the corruptions of the religion.
So while it may appear to be trolling since I am clearly biased towards one religion. In all honesty this is the position I came up with after thorough research.

I believe the Bible predicts Islam. and the conflict we see today. Of course may seem irrational to you, but it is a position I hold.
That doesn't explain the hate you spew regarding Islam. One can criticize something without being spiteful.
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Re: Blasphemy as a forum rule violation

One can criticize anything with free speech.

One of the nice things about free speech, is the cost those who who are bigoted, intolerant, and nasty pay when they reveal themselves for what they are.

We see it from all the religions. It's good to know the enemy.

Can anyone imagine living under laws where blasphemy is on the books? I am cringing at the thought. Leave your religion in the church, mosque, synagogue, temple, etc. and let us all lead our lives as we choose.
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No, it's because there are far too many idiots in that religion who would, given half a chance, use that religion to govern us. There are too many idiots in that religion who want to put prayer in schools. There are too many idiots in that religion who want a Constitutional ban against gay marriage. There are too many idiots in that religion who knock on my door at 8:00am on a Saturday wanting to discuss "the good book" (that happened two weeks ago).

Christians aren't happy unless they're able to impart their beliefs on others while, at the same time, insisting that no one else impart their beliefs on Christians.

I view them, and the way they conduct themselves, to be evil...
forgive me if I don't see how prayer is evil, nor not agreeing with homosexual marraige. as far as I can tell prayer existed before we decided it was unconstitutional, and homosexual marraige Never existed. not even the idea of it untill several decades ago. So your fighting against remnants of a Christian society and getting some backlash.
I hardly consider this evil, then again, I agree with these positions as a Catholic Christian.

Knocking on doors is a mere annoyance, usually from mormons of Jehovahs witnesses..(both of which I consider cults) but certainly not evil.
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That doesn't explain the hate you spew regarding Islam. One can criticize something without being spiteful.
I am not sure why you don't get it. If I was an atheist perhaps my criticism would be more welcomed?
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One can criticize anything with free speech.

One of the nice things about free speech, is the cost those who who are bigoted, intolerant, and nasty pay when they reveal themselves for what they are.

We see it from all the religions. It's good to know the enemy.

Can anyone imagine living under laws where blasphemy is on the books? I am cringing at the thought. Leave your religion in the church, mosque, synagogue, temple, etc. and let us all lead our lives as we choose.
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I am not sure why you don't get it. If I was an atheist perhaps my criticism would be more welcomed?
You're right, I find it hard to understand why one would be so bitter and angry at a religion that isn't their own. Perhaps it could be an inadequacy thing where you need to vilify another religion to feel better about your own.
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You're right, I find it hard to understand why one would be so bitter and angry at a religion that isn't their own. Perhaps it could be an inadequacy thing where you need to vilify another religion to feel better about your own.
LOL oh no not inadequacy. I have to thank Islam for proving the Bible to be divine inspired. If it weren't for Islam I might have never become a believer in God.
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If Islam served as the impetus to you finding God, why then would you berate it so? Shouldn't you be praising it instead?
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forgive me if I don't see how prayer is evil, nor not agreeing with homosexual marraige. as far as I can tell prayer existed before we decided it was unconstitutional, and homosexual marraige Never existed. not even the idea of it untill several decades ago. So your fighting against remnants of a Christian society and getting some backlash.
I hardly consider this evil, then again, I agree with these positions as a Catholic Christian.

Knocking on doors is a mere annoyance, usually from mormons of Jehovahs witnesses..(both of which I consider cults) but certainly not evil.
Of course you don't think those things are evil, primarily because you likely agree that eveyone should pray to your god, and that everyone should live their lives according to your beliefs. You have no problem with christian prayer in school, but aren't willing to permit the same for any other religion. No, the christians support "quiet time for meditation" for those religions. The christians, though; they gotta' have their prayer.

The fact of the matter is that christians are the most intolerant band of thugs out there.

As far as Mormons and JW's are concerned, yeah, they're an annoyance. But at least they've got sense enough to go away when I tell them I'm not interested. The christians, on the other hand, feel as though they have some "right" to impart their beliefs on me at eight in the morning on a Saturday.

Well, fuck them...
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If Islam served as the impetus to you finding God, why then would you berate it so? Shouldn't you be praising it instead?
No its predicted as an evil thing.
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LOL oh no not inadequacy. I have to thank Islam for proving the Bible to be divine inspired. If it weren't for Islam I might have never become a believer in God.
Do you study the Qur'an in Arabic or from a translation?
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Of course you don't think those things are evil, primarily because you likely agree that eveyone should pray to your god, and that everyone should live their lives according to your beliefs.

The fact of the matter is that christians are the most intolerant band of thugs out there.

As far as Mormons and JW's are concerned, yeah, they're an annoyance. But at least they've got sense enough to go away when I tell them I'm not interested. The christians, on the other hand, feel as though they have some "right" to impart their beliefs on me at eight in the morning on a Saturday.

Well, fuck them...
I do think everyone should pray to God, but its not like I am going to force you too. I just think it would be good for you.

I don't really believe in tolerance. I believe in endurance.. I shall endure those I disagree with. Tolerance in modern language seems to imply I must accept ever opinion as equally valid. and no one is better then any other.
I do think some are better then others, and some ideas are worthy of scorn and or debate.

one time I got one of those salesman calling me at dinner time.
I have never forgiven various phone companies since.
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Do you study the Qur'an in Arabic or from a translation?

does thou read Bible in Hebrew/Greek translation?
I got my information from Islamic Sites.
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Of course you don't think those things are evil, primarily because you likely agree that eveyone should pray to your god, and that everyone should live their lives according to your beliefs. You have no problem with christian prayer in school, but aren't willing to permit the same for any other religion. No, the christians support "quiet time for meditation" for those religions. The christians, though; they gotta' have their prayer.

The fact of the matter is that christians are the most intolerant band of thugs out there.

As far as Mormons and JW's are concerned, yeah, they're an annoyance. But at least they've got sense enough to go away when I tell them I'm not interested. The christians, on the other hand, feel as though they have some "right" to impart their beliefs on me at eight in the morning on a Saturday.

Well, fuck them...
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I know a few Muslims who are neither. Blanket statements like yours don't serve anyone well.

But you certainly have the right to state your beliefs.

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islam is a religion as opposed to muslims who are adherants.

it was the religion that was characterized as such, not the adherants.
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