Blasphemy as a forum rule violation

[Hafke]

Originally Posted by John Drake

Agnes, Princess of France, was eight when she arrived in Constantinople to marry Alexius II.

Byzantine Princess Theodora was 13 when she married Baldwin III of Jerusalem

Child brides were the norm in Byzantium for much of the High Middle Ages.

I would happily leave the fact that the Prophet Mohammad was a paedophile (and yes, a fifty year old man raping a nine year old girl is paedophilia) in the past, except for the fact that it has ramifications today. Most of the culturally Christian world has laws preventing the marriage of children. In the Islamic world, his proclivities are the reason that the sexual abuse of girl children through marriage is legal. Iran, for instance, has an age of consent for girls of nine. If the best - legal, state sanctioned - parallel in the Western world you can come up with come from the Middle Ages, the your argument is weak.

[Donkey_Left]

Originally Posted by Hafke

I would happily leave the fact that the Prophet Mohammad was a paedophile (and yes, a fifty year old man raping a nine year old girl is paedophilia) in the past, except for the fact that it has ramifications today. Most of the culturally Christian world has laws preventing the marriage of children. In the Islamic world, his proclivities are the reason that the sexual abuse of girl children through marriage is legal. Iran, for instance, has an age of consent for girls of nine. If the best - legal, state sanctioned - parallel in the Western world you can come up with come from the Middle Ages, the your argument is weak.

See post 299?

[John Drake]

Originally Posted by Hafke

I would happily leave the fact that the Prophet Mohammad was a paedophile (and yes, a fifty year old man raping a nine year old girl is paedophilia) in the past, except for the fact that it has ramifications today. Most of the culturally Christian world has laws preventing the marriage of children. In the Islamic world, his proclivities are the reason that the sexual abuse of girl children through marriage is legal. Iran, for instance, has an age of consent for girls of nine. If the best - legal, state sanctioned - parallel in the Western world you can come up with come from the Middle Ages, the your argument is weak.

Actually Saudi, Iran and Kuwait have no age of consent but simply stipulate that everyone who has sex must be married. Many nations have very low ages of consent, it's a holdover from conditions no more than a hundred years past, when so many children died before 5 that a woman really had to start early to have any surviving offspring at all.

You're are right that women are terribly abused in many Islamic nations, but that is a consequence or adjunct of the general oppression in those nations. Abuse of women is no more inherent in Islam than in Christianity.

[sneddog]

Originally Posted by Kash

Last I checked, nobody asked for your help.

So, by your reasoning if a blind man were one step away from plunging to his death off the side of cliff, he would need to ask for help? I don't think so, whoever is closest to him/her should do the right thing and pull him away from the edge or at the very least warn him of what is about to happen.

No matter your religion if you truly believe that you have the answers then isn't it your moral obligation to share that and help people find the truth? However this must be done with compassion, never in a overbearing or pushy manner. If help is refused then you just go on your way hoping and praying for a change in attitudes.

[Kash]

Originally Posted by sneddog

So, by your reasoning if a blind man were one step away from plunging to his death off the side of cliff, he would need to ask for help? I don't think so, whoever is closest to him/her should do the right thing and pull him away from the edge or at the very least warn him of what is about to happen.

No matter your religion if you truly believe that you have the answers then isn't it your moral obligation to share that and help people find the truth? However this must be done with compassion, never in a overbearing or pushy manner. If help is refused then you just go on your way hoping and praying for a change in attitudes.

You can't compare a man about to walk off a cliff to religion. With the former you have clear evidence of a disaster waiting to happen. With the latter, all you have is a bunch of crazy nonsense about some sadistic and homophobic dude who lives in the clouds.

[sneddog]

Originally Posted by Kash

You can't compare a man about to walk off a cliff to religion. With the former you have clear evidence of a disaster waiting to happen. With the latter, all you have is a bunch of crazy nonsense about some sadistic and homophobic dude who lives in the clouds.

That's your opinion and I believe its wrong, so therefore its my obligation to warn you that I believe that you are wrong and that you are making a mistake. Do what you want with the warning, but you'll never be able to say, "I didn't know, no one ever told me".

[John Drake]

[quote=sneddog;1239562]That's your opinion and I believe its wrong, so therefore its my obligation to warn you that I believe that you are wrong and that you are making a mistake. Do what you want with the warning, but you'll never be able to say, "I didn't know, no one ever told me".[/QUOTE]

That's CERTAINLY true. I just wish that more of your compatriots would heed your advice about pushy, particularly the ones who hold political office and pass laws.

[cns3e]

Originally Posted by Pogo

And you think you can prove that the wound was fatal?

The fact that Jesus was seen to walk would indicate, IMO, that said stab wound was not fatal.

What part of Jesus raising from the dead do you not get? THe fact that he was walking around after he died is what proved he rose from the dead.
Furthermore, Jesus's side was pierced after his death. That is how the Roman soldiers knew he was dead.

[cns3e]

Originally Posted by Steve

Say, Ted, anything on the whole "which people who wrote the bible actually saw the risen jesus" question yet?

Any comment on the statement that jesus was already dead when he was stabbed?

Any comment on the tip I gave you?

Matthew is believed to be written by Matthew, also know as Levi.
Mark is believed to be written by John Mark, AKA Mark which largely consist of the preaching of Peter arranged and shaped by Mark.
Luke is believed to be written by Luke as is Acts.
Acts uses the pronoun "we" indicating the Author (Luke) was witness to the accounts along with Paul.
John is known to be written by John
Paul wrote Corinthians (letter).
Do I need to go on?

[cns3e]

Originally Posted by Steve

You've officially gone off the fuckin' deep end, pal.

You can offer nothing except what you're able to cut and paste from the bible. Nothing. What's more, that which you have offered is meaningless to this discussion. When asked simple question, a miserable failure of a response was all you could muster. You've proven that you don't know nearly as much about the bible as you'd like us to think you do. What's more, you're unable to accept the fact that there are people here, who don't believe what's written in the bible, who actually know more about what's contained in the bible than you.

I don't know what the fuck those last two posts of your were supposed to mean, but I think you'd better get the fuck outta' the heat...

You asked him to tell you the prophesis in the Bible and then slam him for quoting the Bible. That does not make sense. The rest of your agrument is sound. He doesn't seem to know much about the Bible. Prehaps he is still learning and is new to the faith. If he is new to the faith he may just be excited and what to share what he (little) he knows with everyone.
Christians tend to want to save people from an everlasting Hell. That is why they tell everyone about Christ. If you know someone was going to hit by a car if walked down Main St today, wouldn't you at least warn them? I tend to tell people I am a believer and try by best to be a good role model. If they ask for more information I will give it to them then. Sometimes one only has to plant a seed.

[cns3e]

Originally Posted by metalted

Every Holy Saturday (Saturday of the Holy Week) at noon in the church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem recurs the GREAT MIRACLE OF THE HOLY LIGHT (or holy fire, άγιο φως in greek) that stirs, affects rejoices and gives delight and faith to those who have the honour and blessing to be there for the ceremony of the Holy Light. The fire does not burn when you touch it for several minutes. Its been reported to jump from candle to candle without being lit.

People Chanting and waiting for it to occur..

YouTube - Holy Fire 2007- clip 1


Examples of people touching fire without being burned.
YouTube - Holy Light doesn't burn 2

YouTube - Holy Fire: Pilgrim washes his beard in the fire

YouTube - Holy Light doesn't burn 1


In USA today Thousands gather in Jerusalem for Orthodox 'holy fire' - USATODAY.com

original story of how it came to be..


The Miracle of the Holy Fire in Jerusalem



My testimony. I believe in God as of several months ago from really analyzing the Bible and prophecy. He is real, I have seen many things, I was taken over by spirits. I have Felt awesome presence of God. It really is so amazing I cant explain it. When I am near statue of Mary I smell roses. When I pray the rosary I smell roses. I can see things from outside this world.

If you are interested in more miraculous videos or pictures to test you can always search on google or youtube for more. Look for evidence of Ghosts/demons (they are same thing)
Marian Apartitions, All kinds of things.

I am done now with this. I hope you see it someday as real as I do.

good bye.

If you believe in the holy trinity, why do you pray to Mary? You said you follow the Bible as closely as possible. Where does it say to pray to Mary? Don't you know the Commandments? " You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in teh waters below. You hall not bow down to them or woship them; for I , the Lord your GOd, am a jealous God..." Exodus 20:3-5

[metalted]

Originally Posted by cns3e

If you believe in the holy trinity, why do you pray to Mary? You said you follow the Bible as closely as possible. Where does it say to pray to Mary? Don't you know the Commandments? " You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in teh waters below. You hall not bow down to them or woship them; for I , the Lord your GOd, am a jealous God..." Exodus 20:3-5

The answers to your questions are here....

MySpace.com - Knight - 22 - Male - Rome - www.myspace.com/crusade7

[Non Sequitur]

Originally Posted by cns3e

If you believe in the holy trinity, why do you pray to Mary? You said you follow the Bible as closely as possible. Where does it say to pray to Mary? Don't you know the Commandments? " You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in teh waters below. You hall not bow down to them or woship them; for I , the Lord your GOd, am a jealous God..." Exodus 20:3-5

Don't think of it as praying to Mary, think of it as asking Mary to pray with you. Just like someone would ask their friend to pray for them so some people ask the saints to pray for them (and since they are dead and in heaven their prayers are fairly effective). Thats the best way I have heard it explained.

Side note: I'm not actually Catholic so a true Catholic might have a different, very possibly better, explanation. This is just the best way my Protestant mind can understand the theology.

[SMadsen]

Originally Posted by sneddog

That's your opinion and I believe its wrong, so therefore its my obligation to warn you that I believe that you are wrong and that you are making a mistake. Do what you want with the warning, but you'll never be able to say, "I didn't know, no one ever told me".

If what you believe turns out to be true, does salvation rest on whether or not a person has been "told"?

For instance, even in this time and age a tribe has recently been found that have had no former contact with people who could have "told" them. How do they stand with regard to your religions means to salvation?

[Otter]

Originally Posted by SMadsen

If what you believe turns out to be true, does salvation rest on whether or not a person has been "told"?

For instance, even in this time and age a tribe has recently been found that have had no former contact with people who could have "told" them. How do they stand with regard to your religions means to salvation?

The premise of a lot of missionary work implies that not having been told does not keep someone from going to hell; hence the urgency of getting out there and converting everyone, as quickly as possible.