USPO in 2009 - What will happen?

[Si modo]

^^ Well, ain't that all purty. I expect rainbows, sunshine, and a unicorn in every garage. And, all will love each other at USPOL IF BHO wins.

[Jason Marcel]

I don't think the dynamic will be the same as the pendulum swings over to the Democrats.

Democrats are going to control all three branches of gov't, so they'll have to show that they can learn from Republican mistakes of obtaining absolute power but then just ignoring everyone else and ruling like dictators.

Historically, Democrats work with Republicans more than the other way around. So I think we'll see some relief from the kind of politics that the neo-cons were playing for 8 years, and the Democrats can really help that along by rallying the congress to look at everything and cut spending wherever they can.

When Republicans get elected, I'd have to say that liberals are more inclined to evaluate for awhile if this is someone who can govern from the center and include both sides, whereas when Democrats get elected, it's like pulling teeth with Republicans from the get-go. Obama's going to get sworn in and he'll have had 2 and a half months of being attacked up to that point. I don't think it's partisan to say that, the RR and neo-con crowd are just really divisive, and they seem especially scared of Obama winning.

[moon]

Will the site survive the recession ? Will the Bush-pumpers be able to defend eight years of garbage ? Will the returning soldiers, the newly-freed political prisoners and the recovering tortured join as vocal members ? Will an Obama victory signal mass moderator resignations ?

Stay tuned, folks.

[John Drake]

Whenever anything Obama does runs into any sort of even the slightest difficulty the conservatives will bombard the board with choruses of ''see...see" and dire disaster will be seen as justifably descending on a benighted America, enslaved by socialism. Whenever anything succeeds it will be found that the conservatives were in fact trying to do that all along, but had always been just SOO misunderstood.

[jviehe]

Oh make no mistake, when he ends up raising taxes on everyone, even though he said he wouldnt, when he leaves the troops in Iraq even though he said he wouldnt, when his new entitlments start causing huge budget increases, when he ends secret ballots for unions, when he imposes fairness laws on free speech, we conservatives will be there to say I told you so. And then republicans will be put back in charge, patch a few holes and then ruin everything again. And well keep cycling back and forth from one inept party to another.

[moon]

Jveihe;

And well keep cycling back and forth from one inept party to another.

Unless the cycle is broken by a concerted effort , on the part of the citizenry, to develop a new form of government in which the people really do govern themselves and the common intellectual cream always rises to the top.

[jviehe]

Originally Posted by moon

Jveihe;


Unless the cycle is broken by a concerted effort , on the part of the citizenry, to develop a new form of government in which the people really do govern themselves and the common intellectual cream always rises to the top.

Well, we know you will never change as long as Israel exists.

[X Man]

Originally Posted by jviehe

Do you think conservative will, in short, act, like liberals have the last 8 years?

Oh, you already are "my friends". The rage and desperation are palpable. The grasping at every straw in a frenzied, failing effort to discredit the other side.

Barack is a terrorist, Barack is a Muslim, Barack is a Fascist, Barack is a Communist, Barack is going to enslave Whites, Barack is anti-Semitic, Barack will raise your taxes, FUD,FUD, FUD...

The "feel" I get is one that's completely opposite from the last 2 Presidential elections. I'm calm, and confident, there's very little apprehension or fear of a Republican win. Obama is also cool, calm, and collected, while McCain waivers wildly between ridiculous attacks and tepid praise of Obama. Desperately throwing everything including the kitchen sink at this thing and continuing to lose ground in spite of it.

And after Obama wins? Well, there will be alot of Right Wing Whining going on for probably the next 8 years. Really, the only reason I came here at all was to vent about the "worst president ever", W. which I finally tired of so I was away a while. Now, with an Obama win on the horizon the only reason I'm here is to poke fun at and wind-up the desperate neo-cons. It's so easy after all. Besides, this is prime time with 3 weeks to go.

So, I plan to gloat a bit after the win and drink in celebration rather than in defeat and then go away again. No need to listen to the neo-cons whine.

Regards,
Mike

[Chocobot]

How are the cons here going to deal with the fact that the sky isnt falling in?

Thats the question.

[MattInFla]

Originally Posted by Chocobot

How are the cons here going to deal with the fact that the sky isnt falling in?

Thats the question.

The sad truth is that Obama and Biden are nothing new or different in politics, and there's certainly nothing novel about the current Congress. There will continue to be scandal, deceit and corruption in DC.

Very little will change under an Obama / Biden administration.

Matt

[Chocobot]

Originally Posted by MattLarson

The sad truth is that Obama and Biden are nothing new or different in politics, and there's certainly nothing novel about the current Congress. There will continue to be scandal, deceit and corruption in DC.

Very little will change under an Obama / Biden administration.

Matt

Such cynicism in one so middle aged.

Ah but the mavericks are the real deal right?

As they say, 'change is coming'......riiight?!!

Dont you think its a bit naieve to be 'disappointed' in expecting little radical change in DC? Of course, if their was 'radical' change it would have to be exactly the kind you wish for, am I correct?

[MattInFla]

Originally Posted by Chocobot

Such cynicism in one so middle aged.

Ah but the mavericks are the real deal right?

You seem to be laboring under the deliberate misconception that I am some sort of McCain supporter. It makes you look pretty silly when you do it again and again.

Originally Posted by Chocobot

As they say, 'change is coming'......riiight?!!

Both campaigns are promising "change", but I can't say I believe either can actually deliver any.

Originally Posted by Chocobot

Dont you think its a bit naieve to be 'disappointed' in expecting little radical change in DC? Of course, if their was 'radical' change it would have to be exactly the kind you wish for, am I correct?

You're wrong, as you so often are when you proceed from baseless assumptions.

There's not going to be any radical change from these two.

The radical change I think we need isn't likely short of a true economic collapse. The change I think we need is to reduce spending, and neither candidate is proposing that. Instead, we'll get more spending from either of them, and more debt.

Matt

[Chocobot]

Originally Posted by MattLarson

You seem to be laboring under the deliberate misconception that I am some sort of McCain supporter. It makes you look pretty silly when you do it again and again.



Both campaigns are promising "change", but I can't say I believe either can actually deliver any.



You're wrong, as you so often are when you proceed from baseless assumptions.

There's not going to be any radical change from these two.

The radical change I think we need isn't likely short of a true economic collapse. The change I think we need is to reduce spending, and neither candidate is proposing that. Instead, we'll get more spending from either of them, and more debt.

Matt

Well, if that spending makes you sad, disappointed, youll be that way for a long long time.

[MattInFla]

Originally Posted by Chocobot

Well, if that spending makes you sad, disappointed, youll be that way for a long long time.

You miss the point.

Nobody can continue to spend more than they make over the long haul. It won't work in your personal fiances, and it doesn't work on a national level either.

It's not a matter of what makes me "sad", etc. It's a matter of simple logic.

And yeah, I expect DC to continue their unwise ways for a long time.

Matt

[jviehe]

Originally Posted by X Man

Oh, you already are "my friends". The rage and desperation are palpable. The grasping at every straw in a frenzied, failing effort to discredit the other side.

Barack is a terrorist, Barack is a Muslim, Barack is a Fascist, Barack is a Communist, Barack is going to enslave Whites, Barack is anti-Semitic, Barack will raise your taxes, FUD,FUD, FUD...

The "feel" I get is one that's completely opposite from the last 2 Presidential elections. I'm calm, and confident, there's very little apprehension or fear of a Republican win. Obama is also cool, calm, and collected, while McCain waivers wildly between ridiculous attacks and tepid praise of Obama. Desperately throwing everything including the kitchen sink at this thing and continuing to lose ground in spite of it.

And after Obama wins? Well, there will be alot of Right Wing Whining going on for probably the next 8 years. Really, the only reason I came here at all was to vent about the "worst president ever", W. which I finally tired of so I was away a while. Now, with an Obama win on the horizon the only reason I'm here is to poke fun at and wind-up the desperate neo-cons. It's so easy after all. Besides, this is prime time with 3 weeks to go.

So, I plan to gloat a bit after the win and drink in celebration rather than in defeat and then go away again. No need to listen to the neo-cons whine.

Regards,
Mike

Every side has their fanatics. I fully expect the ones on here to continue being that way. My interest was in the overall tone. The membership here is decidedly liberal. It will be curious to see if it becomes more conservative, and whether the tone of the debate will change.