USPO in 2009 - What will happen?

[Jason Marcel]

Originally Posted by Imperator

uhm, links please?

and you do realize that the democratic party has had the lions share of congressional conrtol since ww2 right?

Look at this bailout shit. The Dems could have killed it and told Bush where to go, but they didn't. They put their shit aside and just did what was told of them. Which doesn't endear them to me or anything, but even in the 80's the Dems worked with Reagan better than the Repubs under Clinton, even though many moderate Repubs were actually just fine with Clinton but pretended to not like him in public.

The Dems under Nixon worked with him especially on domestic policies and civil rights.

We all know that there's a RR base in the Republican Party that has hijacked the whole process and held up progress for years now on a multitude of issues.

The Democrats and George H.W. Bush did the right thing by their first round of tax increases. It was a time of war and Bush should never had made that fateful promise back then, but should have prepared everyone and called for sacrifice instead, but that's not something many Americans want to hear anymore.

[jviehe]

Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

I offered a bit more than "I don't like Bush"...... in fact, I didn't even offer that. I actually do like the man as a human being (to the degree that I have a sense for the guy), but not as a president.

You are a little eager to defend him, so this appears to be a partisan-geared discussion rather than a rational analysis.

I'll leave it to the experts/historians to declare who is and is not the greatest and worst presidents. You probably should too..... given your simplistic analyses.

I'll simply say that Bush has done one heckuva job fucking up our country. Just my humble opinion. Whatever you think of him as a president is just dandy with me.

You said hes a bad president because people dont like him and we have a large deficit. Thats politics, not objectivity. Calling a sitting president who is obviously your political opponent is politics, not analysis.

[pramjockey]

Originally Posted by Imperator

thats also an appellation we can assign to more than danny....

Originally Posted by MattLarson

Read Danny's posts, starting from his epiphany that he was no longer a Ron Paul follower.

It's quite cult-like - no criticism of Obama is allowed, and no critical thinking is applied to anything Obama says.

Matt

And this is a religious fervor that's somehow differentiated from the looniest on the right?

[TheLastBoyScout]

Originally Posted by jviehe

You said hes a bad president because people dont like him and we have a large deficit. Thats politics, not objectivity. Calling a sitting president who is obviously your political opponent is politics, not analysis.

Whatever.... like I said, I think Bush sucks ass as a president...that's my opinion however biased it may be. I'm not a politician, so I don't have political opponents.... I just have choices for representation. In GWB's case, I feel that he's represented me quite poorly.

I'll leave it to the historians to basically confirm or dispell my assessment of Bush in 15, 20, 30 years..... I'd put money on it it that Bush will "officially" (however official it can be - consensus of rankings might be a better way to put it.) rank in the bottom 10....of the ~50 or so at that point.

Out of curiosity, Where would you rank Bush today? (1-43)?

[Imperator]

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

Look at this bailout shit. The Dems could have killed it and told Bush where to go, but they didn't. They put their shit aside and just did what was told of them. Which doesn't endear them to me or anything, but even in the 80's the Dems worked with Reagan better than the Repubs under Clinton, even though many moderate Repubs were actually just fine with Clinton but pretended to not like him in public.

The Dems under Nixon worked with him especially on domestic policies and civil rights.

We all know that there's a RR base in the Republican Party that has hijacked the whole process and held up progress for years now on a multitude of issues.

The Democrats and George H.W. Bush did the right thing by their first round of tax increases. It was a time of war and Bush should never had made that fateful promise back then, but should have prepared everyone and called for sacrifice instead, but that's not something many Americans want to hear anymore.

uh dude, they put their shit aside because they knew the jig was up......and that they had their slimy mits all over it.......

the RR base? as to say the Liberal base? I'd say they both might be equally destructive.

[Imperator]

Originally Posted by pramjockey

And this is a religious fervor that's somehow differentiated from the looniest on the right?

Absolutely not...

[jviehe]

Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

Whatever.... like I said, I think Bush sucks ass as a president...that's my opinion however biased it may be. I'm not a politician, so I don't have political opponents.... I just have choices for representation. In GWB's case, I feel that he's represented me quite poorly.

I'll leave it to the historians to basically confirm or dispell my assessment of Bush in 15, 20, 30 years..... I'd put money on it it that Bush will "officially" (however official it can be - consensus of rankings might be a better way to put it.) rank in the bottom 10....of the ~50 or so at that point.

Out of curiosity, Where would you rank Bush today? (1-43)?

You are welcome to your opinion. Im simply saying being dramatic and callign the worst ever lacks perspective. I dont think we can judge him till we see the result of his actions 50 years from now. Iraq is surely not as bad as vietnam was, and we havent had any attacks since 911, the economy did relatively well until recently, and its not worse than it has been in the past. A lot of the rest of his criticism has been political, with no absolute proof to pass it up, like falsyfying intelligence. Whereas we do have proof of other presidents misdeeds, like Nixon. At the moment I would put Bush somewhere in the middle. If Iraq turns out well, he will get bumped up.

[moon]

USPO in 2009 - What will happen?

Somebody will very soon redesign the existing site banner and the discredited countenances of Willy and Guantanamo George will disappear forever.

And about freaking time.

[Rakkasan]

Originally Posted by Imperator

Good question and I think the other day I made a statement along these lines as to the country- if Obama gets elected world peace will break out, the homeless will disappear, pigs will sprout wings, US finances will miraculously take a turn for the better and the economy will be “good” to “great” as told to us by the media.


As for USPOL? ….that’s easy- To start with;

a) the here to fore “hey stop bringing Clinton into it“ crew will employ the usual Lib bait and switch, where in if the messiah is in, when he fucks up they will then reach back to tell us how “screwed up bush was.”

b) IF Obama is elected and he starts fucking up there will be a general exodus of his lapdogs…

c) IF McCain is elected when he starts fucking up there may be an exodus, but not half as bad as the other way around.

d) Someone will create to many goddman Middle East threads

e) someone will post hundreds of fucking wall st. journal links…


I personally intended to say this the night before the election but since you asked- IF Obama gets in he will have my sppt. 100% and my best wishes. I will even say a prayer as to his success.
If HE screws up I am screwed up and so is the country, only lunatics pull their own hair.

dead on great post

[Rakkasan]

Originally Posted by jviehe

Well, we know you will never change as long as Israel exists.

good lord i spit out my coffee............ thanks man so fricken true this will never change on this board

[MattLarson]

Originally Posted by moon

Somebody will very soon redesign the existing site banner and the discredited countenances of Willy and Guantanamo George will disappear forever.

And about freaking time.

So will you be submitting your Hamas / Hezbollah festive collage for the contest this time?

[Rakkasan]

Originally Posted by MattLarson

Read Danny's posts, starting from his epiphany that he was no longer a Ron Paul follower.

It's quite cult-like - no criticism of Obama is allowed, and no critical thinking is applied to anything Obama says.

Matt

and this is what i would of said the board will be like. NOTHING will change in the area of criticizing obama or his decisions. If you are white as i have found down south, if you dont like obama you are either a racist or a fucking moron. it is universal in every conversation i have with people that to not agree or see the greatness in obama is totally unbelievable. He is the real deal the hope and change as i have been told for the poor, the middle class. He is the first presidential candidate they say to promise to do something for the middle class. yet he takes over a deficit that requires tax increases.

the hype wont end for 4-8 years , people have become so obsessed over this dude, that i will predict that the board is going to be a obama defending bush bashing still VS Obama criticism. The same people on here who have been talking of the corruption in Washington will see no corruption when they have the power and it will continue the cycle of hypocrisy and stupidity in this country

I will support obama's office, i will show that respect but i think voting him in , shows the hypocrisy of this country. Bush was too conservative but we will vote in the most liberal president ever to re distribute our money...........it just doesnt add up