Yup, typical post for me - knocking down an unsupported conclusion from the deep outfield.

I was refuting your conclusion that Pakistan and the UK are participating in some grand conspiracy to protect Lieberman, as you have claimed.

I am, for the moment, accepting your 'facts' as presented, and challenging your baseless conclusion.

I am not surprised you didn't understand that yourself.

No, thanks. I have ample sources of fiction available for the reading should I need some entertainment. I doubt yours will be of the same caliber.

Matt

not to get in the arguement

but GODDAMN THAT IS FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!

Holy shit .........havent laughed that hard in a week

thanks

Well, Matt.

We have already examined Pakistan's motivation.
And when we say 'Pakistan', we really mean Mousharraf.

What happens to him when the US leaves Iraq, and in all probability leaves it to a Iranian-puppet Shi'ia government with a lust for revenge?

Bet he'll want 130,000 US troops bivouaced next door, then.

The UK is a proven supporter of the US lies as witnessed by the Downing Street Memos, whioch I trust you have never investigated.

As far as 'government conspiracy 'fiction', remember 'Spotty' Lincoln?

Sure you do, although you probably remember his given name of Abraham.

In the 1840's- 1850's he was regaled with the name 'Spotty' for his insistent questioning of Gen. Winfield Scott as to the exact 'spot' where Mexican troops had attacked US troopers, and thus precipitated what is now known north of the Rio Grande as the 'Mexican War'.

FYI, Scott brushed aside the question using the same smug 'logic' which you employ.

Reson was simple: Winnie could not show abe the 'spot' on the map, because the attack never happened.

It was just the cover story to get us to the DF (Mexico City), and acquire a whole land in the SW in the process.

None of which supports your conclusion, save for in your fertile imagination.

It is telling, though, that you need to go back >150 years to find some "support" for your conclusion.

It's a Coup Coup Conspiracy theory, and not worth any more of my time.

As Tigger (an intellectual of Coup Coup caliber) would say, TTFN.

Matt

No, that is just one of many proven conspiracies which our government has engaged in from the early 19th-late 20th centuries.

As stated, I can provide you with a list.

It will never be worthy of your time, Matt. I've often said I do not post to change minds that are indellibly imprinted.

Tonight's news: Very limited due to the JonBenet thing.

Seems that the person arrested yesterday by the Brits was let go without being charged today.

Also (per BBC), only one alleged terrorist (vs the two-person teams stated earlier) were now alleged to board flights; important as it limits the amount of liquid that could be carried aboard ( see 'Operation Bojinka described earlier).

Brits also say that any charges will be brought against the alleged plotters next week.

Former-Prez Clinton weighed in, cautioning the GOP not to link the alleged plot to Iraq, 'as the facts may be against them.'

George W. Bush, his wife Laura, and Cheney continued to make seperate stops on what has been dubbed 'The Terror Tour', taking advantage of the situation to raise some serious cash, just as Karl Rove 'prophesized' last week.

Bush and Blair are fighting a very similar domestic battle, you know. They're on their way out, they're losing support in the parliament and the house, respectively. And to establish their authority and prove that they are needed, they must both seek to display as much as possible of the only thing they have monopoly on, which is to fight terrorists. That's something the opposition can't take away from them, after all.

But it's a bit bizarre when Reid and Chertoff each have their suspiciously similar press- conferences after the arrests, though. With this theme: you need us, and you need us to carry on in peace with whatever it is we're doing, without any criticism or questions, even if our policies may involve far- reaching and hotly disputed new powers far beyond what any reasonable person would suggest is needed to combat terrorists. But trust us, we know what we're doing, and the opposition just wants us to fail so you all will die at the hands of violent terrorists.
So.. at best the british police moved in too quickly. At worst, strange intelligence tortured out of someone in Pakistan turns up unprocessed at the US President's office. And possibly through the talks Bush and Blair reportedly had directly ahead of the operation, that info is then linked to, say, an ongoing surveillance- operation, where there actually is a suspicion of a plot involved. And then a bunch of people who apparently had no means to carry out the alleged terror- plot, whether it was as comprehensive as it's said to be or not, are arrested.

And, then I'm supposed to believe that a bunch of amateurs could figure out a way to make explosives from harmless liquids smuggled on to a plane in plastic canisters. And then they would.. magick themselves a container that can absorb enough pressure to actually explode, which they would then set off with flash- lamps from a camera? I mean, it's so obvious. Or, perhaps they wouldn't actually use a container, but would make themselves composite spheres of plastic with a lighter they would've smuggled on board. Hm? Maybe they could crystallize salts from the honey on the peanuts together with an explosive agent, eh, eh? Or, perhaps they'd make themselves steel- pipes out of metal they'd quietly strip off the main fuselage with their teeth. I mean, hey, here's a load of options!

Still... if it turns out it wasn't exactly like that - It's important to remember that it's not the actual proven crime, and presumably therefore an actual threat, that is the problem we need to rid ourselves of. Oh no, it's the existence of the will to cause harm on innocent people that remains the problem, see. And /that's/ why these people are arrested, and there needs to be more stringent terror- laws, surveillance, torture, indefinite detainment and racial and religious profiling. And this explains away all possible problems with irresponsible ways of fighting terror, doesn't it. Better safe than sorry, right?

Wow thats alot of sarcastic speculation from someone like you and me .....

that know 0 about the actual case and whats involved....

im sure in time we will see find out more

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Hopefully, yes. But I wouldn't bet a lot of money on it actually happening. Because, the less we actually know about the plot, the circumstances, and the specifics on how this particular operation actually was connected to "the intelligence" (of uncertain origin and undetermined value in a specific sense) about a plot larger than 911.. the less difficulty both Reid and Chertoff will have in justifying their position in an operational context. Start to question what exactly they're contributing, if indeed once again this was a case of hyped up intelligence causing no end of grief for the guys on the ground, and you will have in fact a much less problematic view of their "value" to the cause.

But hey, why not wait for the "inqury" before asking questions...

More info:

Pakistanis now say there was no link becuse the alleged terrorists and al-Zarakawi.(one of many spellings).

None of the other terrorist scares (Italy, W. Virginia, 59-year old on london to DC flight, were fopund to have any link to terrorism.

On MSNBC, Chris Matthews was the Administrations mouthpiece saying:

'Since the wiretapping program has been found to be illegal' ( a no-brainer to anyone who knows the US Constution- per Jonathan Turley) ' maybe there will be a move in Congress to pass a law to require it. I mean, look how the British foiled THAT plot' (note: no 'alleged' here, Judge Matthews has determined guilt) ' people will be willing to allow some tapping if it can prevent planes gfrom being blown up.'

Good puppy.

Now, go to the White House and let Uncle Karl give you a Milkbone.

One thing,
To counterbalance:

British police say they found a suitcase in High Wycombe which contains 'everything you need to make a component bomb.'

As the dust continues to settle.........................

"Terror detectives 'find bomb kit'"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5261086.stm

"Bomb plot police 'moving forward'"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5268932.stm

"Airliner Plot Had Support In Pakistan, Officials Say"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...081102053.html
Wow. I mean, isn't it good that if the government says it's a plot, which incidentally should put civil liberties and any reason on hold, they're by definition not crazy conspiracy theorists..

London metro area has a population of 8,500,000 people.

It was stated that inn order to make a 'component bomb' only 'ordianary household items' were needed. So is it so surprising that in a park in a metroplex of 8.5 million people a SINGLE suitcase containing 'ordinary household items' was found?
Much less the linkage to the aslleged suspects.

Home Sec has said this, let's see if it's true over time.

'Pakistan is portraying itself as a reliable ally against terrorism.'

That would be because Mousharraf wants to have it both ways- pro-West and Pro-Islamic Extremist.

Notice that they've said the plot was based.................. in Afghanistan!

And the dust settles.

Also,
What about those alleged 'Martyr tapes'?

Funny in that they aren't typically made until the last thing, for security reasons.

Yet, these guys still had NO airline tickets, and few had passports.

Makes you wonder if they were serious terrorists or just kids- like those guys in Miami who had their 'Al Queda oath' administered by an FBI informant.

This is another legitimate question that casts doubt on what has been leaked.

Yeah agree with you on the fruits in florida .. they wanted to be terrorists and if they got one leader type they would have been a good cell.

Problem is they were poor black prison types. I think alot of black muslims are falling into that trap and its sad.

Wish was more positive influence in the black community to counter that. We need a new positive leader in that community.

Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson etc Are not positive they are just blame gamers.

I'm hoping one will come soon with a messageof hope and not count on the system but on self.

Thats why alot turn to the muslim community and when you are poor easy to see hope through a crazed muslim cleric preaching hate. I think this is happening in many places in America. Especially our prison system.

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