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Old 03-02-2007
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US funds Al Qaeda - but only in Iran

Sy Hersh reports that the US is giving support to two terrorist groups associated with Al Qaeda, that operate in Iran.
Because in Iran, Sunni terrorists killing Shiites are the good guys.
Whereas in Iraq, Sunni terrorists killing Shiites are the bad guys.
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/20...rsh&frame=true
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Re: US funds Al Qaeda - but only in Iran

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Sy Hersh reports that the US is giving support to two terrorist groups associated with Al Qaeda, that operate in Iran.
Because in Iran, Sunni terrorists killing Shiites are the good guys.
Whereas in Iraq, Sunni terrorists killing Shiites are the bad guys.
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/20...rsh&frame=true
Whew! I was getting worried. I was thinking he was helping fund the entire organization. Thankfully, it's limited to only Iran.
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Re: US funds Al Qaeda - but only in Iran

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Sy Hersh reports that the US is giving support to two terrorist groups associated with Al Qaeda, that operate in Iran.
Because in Iran, Sunni terrorists killing Shiites are the good guys.
Whereas in Iraq, Sunni terrorists killing Shiites are the bad guys.
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/20...rsh&frame=true
And here in America, very large DNC contributer and flaming socialist George Soros has helped to pay for the defense of Lynne Stewart, an attorney who was found guilty of helping to send messages from some of the Islamic terrorists who attempted the 1st 911 attack on the WTC back in 1993.

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Re: US funds Al Qaeda - but only in Iran

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And here in America, very large DNC contributer and flaming socialist George Soros has helped to pay for the defense of Lynne Stewart, an attorney who was found guilty of helping to send messages from some of the Islamic terrorists who attempted the 1st 911 attack on the WTC back in 1993.

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Well, that story balances out the US government funding Al Qaeda, I'd say someone contributing to another person's legal defense fund is just as onerous as the US government funding Al Qaeda terrorist groups, and completely let's Bush off the hook.

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Re: US funds Al Qaeda - but only in Iran

i have not read whole story but here is somethings to think about... about 50 percent of arab muslims in the mideast have a favorable view of ossama. it said sunnies who are sympathetic to alquida... not al quida itself.. cia is a very dark game . use one against the other.. very very american cia, thats what we do. of course it does not hurt us to instigate alquida against iran.. very clever.
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i have not read whole story but here is somethings to think about... about 50 percent of arab muslims in the mideast have a favorable view of ossama. it said sunnies who are sympathetic to alquida... not al quida itself.. cia is a very dark game . use one against the other.. very very american cia, thats what we do. of course it does not hurt us to instigate alquida against iran.. very clever.
Let's talk about this with one fact in mind:

al'Quaida has grown in strength during the Bush administration.
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Re: US funds Al Qaeda - but only in Iran

conform unlike you i am completely uninterested in playing republicans vrs democrats.show me a democrat that will be tough on terror considerate of the people of iraq and afganistan, and not run away do to political pressure and ill vote dem.. frankly i do not care if you think bush increased terrorism. its to me a partisan statement with little relevance.. i would rather focus on the realities and troubles of today and how we can fix our current problems instead of trying to lay the blame of everything on neo cons.

when democrats stop talking about bush being evil and start talking about how to win this global war will i pay attention.
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i have not read whole story but here is somethings to think about... about 50 percent of arab muslims in the mideast have a favorable view of ossama. it said sunnies who are sympathetic to alquida... not al quida itself.. cia is a very dark game . use one against the other.. very very american cia, thats what we do. of course it does not hurt us to instigate alquida against iran.. very clever.
Well, to be fair, funding terrorism has never been a problem for the US. They used to fund Islamic extremists in Afghanistan, now they fund Israel. And if this story is true, then they also fund Al Qaeda. But when the Bush admin isn't funding terror (perhaps on the weekends?), it is whining about how Hussein had vague connections to bin Laden and how we need to pass authoritarian acts to...get this...FIGHT TERRORISM.
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conform unlike you i am completely uninterested in playing republicans vrs democrats.show me a democrat that will be tough on terror considerate of the people of iraq and afganistan, and not run away do to political pressure and ill vote dem.. frankly i do not care if you think bush increased terrorism. its to me a partisan statement with little relevance.. i would rather focus on the realities and troubles of today and how we can fix our current problems instead of trying to lay the blame of everything on neo cons.

when democrats stop talking about bush being evil and start talking about how to win this global war will i pay attention.
You should care if terrorism has risen because of Bush because it isn't a partisan statement. It is FACT.

You're right, this isn't about Republicans and Democrats, it's about getting the job done and Bush isn't doing it. Now if you want to think it's partisan to remove a failing team to try a new one, then there's nothing we can do about your erroneous characterizations. Unfortunately, we only have two teams to pick from. Maybe if we had two additional teams to pick from, this wouldn't be seen as such a partisan wedge issue. But we have to work with what we got and what we got is an Administration not able to take on the terrorist task and we have another party that is willing to refocus efforts on Afghanistan and the Taliban.

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Sorry - even if Bush is a piece of s... he did not create Al Qaeda. His father may have done that. AQ was originally a database of voluntary islamic fascists who the CIA used in different covert operations. Osama again has saved the Bush family from few bankrupts as they have together company relations.

"Al Qaeda" is a term which is expected to replace the term "communist" in the minds of the American people. Such term is necessary for the neocon hawks in order to collect trillions of dollars to their pocket from wars and military investments. There is no single piece of evidence that any islamic person could have participated the real crimes of 911 (even if there were unsuccessful attempts to involve them so that they could be accused).

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It was consequently crucial for the development of a coherent antiwar and civil rights movement, to reveal the nature of Al Qaeda and its evolving relationship to successive US adminstrations. Amply documented but rarely mentioned by the mainstream media, Al Qaeda was a creation of the CIA going back to the Soviet-Afghan war. This was a known fact, corroborated by numerous sources including official documents of the US Congress. The intelligence community had time and again acknowledged that they had indeed supported Osama bin Laden, but that in the wake of the Cold War: "he turned against us".
With the active encouragement of the CIA and Pakistan's ISI [Inter Services Intelligence], who wanted to turn the Afghan jihad into a global war waged by all Muslim states against the Soviet Union, some 35,000 Muslim radicals from 40 Islamic countries joined Afghanistan's fight between 1982 and 1992. Tens of thousands more came to study in Pakistani madrasahs. Eventually more than 100,000 foreign Muslim radicals were directly influenced by the Afghan jihad. The Islamic "jihad" was supported by the United States and Saudi Arabia with a significant part of the funding generated from the Golden Crescent drug trade:
In March 1985, President Reagan signed National Security Decision Directive 166,...[which] authorize[d] stepped-up covert military aid to the mujahideen, and it made clear that the secret Afghan war had a new goal: to defeat Soviet troops in Afghanistan through covert action and encourage a Soviet withdrawal. The new covert U.S. assistance began with a dramatic increase in arms supplies -- a steady rise to 65,000 tons annually by 1987, ... as well as a "ceaseless stream" of CIA and Pentagon specialists who traveled to the secret headquarters of Pakistan's ISI on the main road near Rawalpindi, Pakistan. There the CIA specialists met with Pakistani intelligence officers to help plan operations for the Afghan rebels.
The CIA using Pakistan's military Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) played a key role in training the Mujahideen. In turn, the CIA sponsored guerrilla training was integrated with the teachings of Islam:
Pakistan's ISI was used as a "go-between". The CIA covert support to the "jihad" operated indirectly through the Pakistani ISI, --i.e. the CIA did not channel its support directly to the Mujahideen.


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Sorry - even if Bush is a piece of s... he did not create Al Qaeda. His father may have done that. AQ was originally a database of voluntary islamic fascists who the CIA used in different covert operations.
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He's not smoking anything, it's true. When they were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan who was the CIA assest? Bin Laden. Bin Laden is connected to the CIA.

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He's not smoking anything, it's true. When they were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan who was the CIA assest? Bin Laden. Bin Laden is connected to the CIA.
That doesn't mean we're funding them now, though. It doesn't even suggest it...

Hmmm... I see the word "alleged". I guess to a liberal whiner that means "absolutely confirmed beyond question". Also, it comes from the French. I don't trust the French any more than I would trust liberal whiners...
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Well, that story balances out the US government funding Al Qaeda, I'd say someone contributing to another person's legal defense fund is just as onerous as the US government funding Al Qaeda terrorist groups, and completely let's Bush off the hook.
Why would you assume this lets Bush off the hook? I don't. I dislilke and distrust Bush probably as much as you do.

And Soros is not just "someone." He's a huge democratic donor and is in big with democrat politicans.

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Do you haver any evidence of that or are you just spewing crap again?

The article certainly doesn't support your claim.
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