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Re: The Truth about Guantanamo

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The funny part is that, even after 12 times, the guy couldn't get the job done...
Please Steve stop, if you find that entertaining then you really need a life.

Its not funny when a guy tries to kill himself 12 times and fails all 12 times, its fucking pathetic.

On a bright note for him i'm sure this could be good grounds for release for him, how would he ever be training to be a suicide bomber for Al Qaeda if he can't even get the suicide bit right?

Anyway if nothing else it does show that our security systems there must be good to manage to stop this guy from dying some 12 times after he has tried over and over.

These guys are treated well and don't deserve even half of the privellages they get.
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Re: The Truth about Guantanamo

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Given a lack of materials, it's not surprising at all.
Or it could be the fact that U.S. marines have managed to stop him from killing himself several times could it not?
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Re: The Truth about Guantanamo

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Or it could be the fact that U.S. marines have managed to stop him from killing himself several times could it not?
Absolutely. I forgot to put that in my response.

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No i think you've missed the whole fucking point actually.



The majority of people held there are not Americans! They are not entitled to the same rights Americans are.

They have no rights that our constitution entitles them to.
So you dont even know your own constitution? You do not have to be american to have the rights of your constitution: you just have to be on american territory.

So the prisonment of these people is unconstitutional.

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These guys are treated well and don't deserve even half of the privellages they get.
They do, in fact according to the constitution they deserve more of them.
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Re: The Truth about Guantanamo

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Please Steve stop, if you find that entertaining then you really need a life.

Its not funny when a guy tries to kill himself 12 times and fails all 12 times, its fucking pathetic.

On a bright note for him i'm sure this could be good grounds for release for him, how would he ever be training to be a suicide bomber for Al Qaeda if he can't even get the suicide bit right?

Anyway if nothing else it does show that our security systems there must be good to manage to stop this guy from dying some 12 times after he has tried over and over.

These guys are treated well and don't deserve even half of the privellages they get.
Untwist your panties, please.

I didn't say it was entertaining, I said it was funny.

"The Godfather" was entertaining, and wasn't funny. I think Jerry Lewis, in his heyday, was funny, but I don't find him entertaining.

I agree with you, though, that they get far more than they deserve...
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Exactly. It's not really a war any more than the "war on drugs" is a war.
Apart from the fact in thi one we actually drop bombs, kill people, invade lands and liberate people, you know that whole "war" thing.

On a side note we are actually bombing opium fields in Afghanistan, so maybe parts of the war on drugs actually are war like!
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Re: The Truth about Guantanamo

We've also killed people in Colombia and fired bullets.

Not sure about the bombs, though.
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They do, in fact according to the constitution they deserve more of them.
What privledges are guaranteed by the US Constitution?

Since you seem to know so much about the document, surely you can point us to the section which discusses privledges...
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So you dont even know your own constitution? You do not have to be american to have the rights of your constitution: you just have to be on american territory.

So the prisonment of these people is unconstitutional.



They do, in fact according to the constitution they deserve more of them.
But now given the fact that he has demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the US Constitution, his stated position becomes much more understandable.

The Constitution and the Bill of rights define the limits of what the government can do, they have nothing to do with the circumstances of the individual.
But under Bush's doctrine, a US citizen in the United States, has no more rights than a foreigner in Guantanamo, witness the case of Jose Padilla, an American citizen, arrested in Chicago, and denied all rights for years.
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As has already been stated we could be giving them 10 course meals every night, with bubble baths, we could give them a giant Mosque and anything else they ask for, but as long as we are imprisoning them illegally they are being treated terribly.
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Re: The Truth about Guantanamo

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What privledges are guaranteed by the US Constitution?

Since you seem to know so much about the document, surely you can point us to the section which discusses privledges...
privledges, rights, whatever.
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So you dont even know your own constitution? You do not have to be american to have the rights of your constitution: you just have to be on american territory.

So the prisonment of these people is unconstitutional.
But Guitmo is not "American territory" which is the sole reason i refused to go there, i hate Castro more than my curiosity of wanting to go see the place.

Cuba has leased it out to us for the last 60 years but it remains their land; its just their laws don't apply there because they have no juridictional authority under their own laws "in land which they lease to a foreign land or sovereign state".

That's why we put the detainee's there in the first fucking place!

If you are a certain distance away from the continental U.S. and don't have civillian U.s. law in that place, i.e. a military base in Europe os Asia then the constitutional rights they may be entitled to elsewhere in the U.S. are not applicable.

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They do, in fact according to the constitution they deserve more of them.
No actually the constitution says the punishment must fit the crime, if it were indeed applicable and if so then keeping them detaineed until the war is over is perfectly reasonable.
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but as long as we are imprisoning them illegally
Which we're not...
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But now given the fact that he has demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the US Constitution, his stated position becomes much more understandable.

The Constitution and the Bill of rights define the limits of what the government can do, they have nothing to do with the circumstances of the individual.
But under Bush's doctrine, a US citizen in the United States, has no more rights than a foreigner in Guantanamo, witness the case of Jose Padilla, an American citizen, arrested in Chicago, and denied all rights for years.
Oh dear lord...you know Goober i used to credit you with having at least a little intelligence.

You know full well these guys are not entitled to anything grnted by the constitution because Guitmo is not classified as U.S. land...stop playing dumb.
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Oh... I don't care...
Nobody expected you to care. You are one of the more narrowminded selfish people who draws breath.
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Apart from the fact in thi one we actually drop bombs, kill people, invade lands and liberate people, you know that whole "war" thing.

On a side note we are actually bombing opium fields in Afghanistan, so maybe parts of the war on drugs actually are war like!
How come we haven't invaded northern Spain then? Israel? Nigeria...?
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We've also killed people in Colombia and fired bullets.

Not sure about the bombs, though.
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