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Imperator, are you really from the US? I mean, were you born in the us?...man,...reading your posts is like...nevermind.
Unlike Russia, you say...alright. And yeah, have you been to Russia? Can you talk in russian? How come you assume something so firmly without prior experience in what you are talking about? Do you follow me? Have you read any news rag outside Turner sindicate mindrape ring? (IMHO)

You have a choise to vote Bush out? Listen, I am done with you. Waste of time.

What my country of origin has to do with this is beyond me....try looking at my profile.....


Oh I see so i need to speak Russian and read Cyrillic
to comment? things seem pretty clear to me, if you believe the gov. controlled pabulum fed to you, fine....enjoy....you and mille can toast your rights away..

and yes I have been to Russia, and ?

its a waste of time because you choose to not debate the points I made but invent some benchmark where in supposedly if I don't read or speak Russian languages I am not fit to answer....please, that’s so weak...as weak as the supposed democracy existing in Russia right now......I guess you're part of what would have been called in yesteryear, the old nomenklatura, you are set and have what 70% don't have so everything’s jake.,.well good for you...


you’re done because you have no riposte to my last comment regards how decisions are made vis a vis the US and the ussr or today’s russia...and especially regards accountability....

pre-emptive actions regards moldavia? oh please......and mongolia? yes I see lets outlaw reincarnation....get serious....
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Re: Russia renewing the pissing contest with America

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Ohhhh, I get it.
The USSR was invited to invade Afghanistan.
Usually I would agree that such invitations are fake, but the government of Afghanistan really invited USSR to protect the country against the TALIBAN which was strongly supported by USA (CIA operations led by Osama bin Laden). So the Americans helped to put Taliban to power - as they put Saddam and Musharraf. I guess that USSR did not have any political interest to Afghanistan, but they were afraid of muslim ideology spreading to Tajikistan etc. (which was later shown to be a big problem in Tajikistan where was a long war until 1998 or so).

USA has used these "invitations" and UN sanctions as excuses to rob natural resources of many countries. Usually USA organizes a false flag operation and then say that they are forced to destroy this and that country. Do you remember how the people of Iraq invited US Army and celebrated when they came - that was all a ridiculous piece of theatre.
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Your oft-repeated, poorly-researched, false claim that Osama Bin Laden worked for the CIA has been completely debunked by a journalist that interviewed Bin Laden himself.
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Usually I would agree that such invitations are fake, but the government of Afghanistan really invited USSR to protect the country against the TALIBAN which was strongly supported by USA (CIA operations led by Osama bin Laden). So the Americans helped to put Taliban to power - as they put Saddam and Musharraf. I guess that USSR did not have any political interest to Afghanistan, but they were afraid of muslim ideology spreading to Tajikistan etc. (which was later shown to be a big problem in Tajikistan where was a long war until 1998 or so).

USA has used these "invitations" and UN sanctions as excuses to rob natural resources of many countries. Usually USA organizes a false flag operation and then say that they are forced to destroy this and that country. Do you remember how the people of Iraq invited US Army and celebrated when they came - that was all a ridiculous piece of theatre.
my god man..please....
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Usually I would agree that such invitations are fake, but the government of Afghanistan really invited USSR to protect the country against the TALIBAN which was strongly supported by USA....
As a high scientist, you do realize that the Taliban and mujahidin are two different groups, don't you?
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Your oft-repeated, poorly-researched, false claim that Osama Bin Laden worked for the CIA has been completely debunked by a journalist that interviewed Bin Laden himself.
So the Osama told to journalist he was not working for CIA, and that is enough for you? Well, well, I suppose you call exactly this a highly-researched claim... Small wonder now the US' nation was so easy involved into the raiding war aginst Iraq - possibly journalists simply said that Saddam confessed he had finger in the 9-11 pie.
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As a high scientist, you do realize that the Taliban and mujahidin are two different groups, don't you?
Explain shortly how you see the difference between Taliban and mojahedeens yourself. Just curiuos to listen how you see it.
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Your oft-repeated, poorly-researched, false claim that Osama Bin Laden worked for the CIA has been completely debunked by a journalist that interviewed Bin Laden himself.
You mean Ben Laden claimed he didn't work with the CIA? When did you start believing Ben Laden?
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You mean Ben Laden claimed he didn't work with the CIA? When did you start believing Ben Laden?
he did when the soviets attacked that we know,....then again when it come to belief, maybe we should have asked saddams foreign minister....
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So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

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Awww, isn't this cute.
Oleg, care to give Russian..Federation point of view to this bomb?
You want me give you a viewpoint of RF? Sorry, I cannot speak in the name of such big number of different people. To my mind, nobody cares for the news like that here. I personally learned about it from western newspaper. Good anyway, our weaponry must be modernized, together with other necessary things.
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Why was it made, how many like it Russian leader wants, how it will be transported to target etc.
-Why termobarical technology? Common international trend nowdays. SO to say "advanced weapons."
-"how many like it Russian leader wants"- How many people support Putin's desicions? About 80 %, I don't think this to be exaggeration.
- The termobarical charge can be transported like any other charge. The air-bomb is most simple and cheap form to test the explosion itself, nothing more.

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And why on earth does Russia gear up it's military?
On the same reason, why you sometimes repair the lock on the door of your pantry and the banks care about new systems of security. Besides this, for the last 15 years too many countries were bombed, invaded and lost their commonwealth, souvereignity and independence. We can not condone this.
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We do know how sorry state your army was after Soviet Union fell, but that was a while ago and surely you could think of better places to put the money?
We could think of better places, yet we can not stay armless. Armless and weak are being robbed and destroyed if they have misfortune to be independent from the US and rich. We don't feel safe about our children - Yugoslavia, Iraq, Lebanon and insolent intrusion in our inner affairs shattered the dreams about global peace we had in the 80-s. Praemonitus, praemunitus.
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your bombers flying now are 25 years old..you have NO stealth technology, your rocket forces are built on the old soviet presumption of mass equals qualitative forces..you can barely keep pace with the threats from chechnyi, if you cannot bully people into your point of view anymore.. ala Ukraine........your military is a bare shadow of itself regards the 80’s and even then, we would have eaten your lunch...dude...socialism has crippled you so badly that you have nothing left to believe in...life expectancy? Tuberculosis rates? Alcoholism per capita? Wake up and smell the coffee..this is what 70 years of the brand of socialism that Putin in now trying to reassert upon you has wrought....
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Usually I would agree that such invitations are fake, but the government of Afghanistan really invited USSR to protect the country against the TALIBAN which was strongly supported by USA (CIA operations led by Osama bin Laden). So the Americans helped to put Taliban to power - as they put Saddam and Musharraf. I guess that USSR did not have any political interest to Afghanistan, but they were afraid of muslim ideology spreading to Tajikistan etc. (which was later shown to be a big problem in Tajikistan where was a long war until 1998 or so).

USA has used these "invitations" and UN sanctions as excuses to rob natural resources of many countries. Usually USA organizes a false flag operation and then say that they are forced to destroy this and that country. Do you remember how the people of Iraq invited US Army and celebrated when they came - that was all a ridiculous piece of theatre.
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Strider, Russia has millitary outposts around the world? .. care to eleborate? Your short 'yes', my friend, sparked life in me amid dull news today. It was a dare revelation of you, to say the least. Stop teasing us!
You didn't ask if Russia had military bases 'around the world', you asked if they had bases outside their borders. They do. There are active Russian military bases in most of the ex-Soviet states.
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there are elections every 4 years here?
yes.

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where there is a very healthy debate/process regards who can say what regards the sitting officials and the government that is in power
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You want me give you a viewpoint of RF? Sorry, I cannot speak in the name of such big number of different people. To my mind, nobody cares for the news like that here.
Thanks for the good replies. Why don't people there care about news like that?

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I personally learned about it from western newspaper. Good anyway, our weaponry must be modernized, together with other necessary things.
That I agree on. Strong standing army is a good thing, but I fear the old arms race might ignite once again over trivial matters.
Here we are also worried about the old military materia; meaning that is it destroyed or left to destroy the enviroment, as happened in the `Grand Island´. (I don't know the Russian name for it.)

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-Why termobarical technology? Common international trend nowdays. SO to say "advanced weapons."
-"how many like it Russian leader wants"- How many people support Putin's desicions? About 80 %, I don't think this to be exaggeration.
- The termobarical charge can be transported like any other charge. The air-bomb is most simple and cheap form to test the explosion itself, nothing more.
Good info, thanks.

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On the same reason, why you sometimes repair the lock on the door of your pantry and the banks care about new systems of security. Besides this, for the last 15 years too many countries were bombed, invaded and lost their commonwealth, souvereignity and independence. We can not condone this.
We could think of better places, yet we can not stay armless. Armless and weak are being robbed and destroyed if they have misfortune to be independent from the US and rich. We don't feel safe about our children - Yugoslavia, Iraq, Lebanon and insolent intrusion in our inner affairs shattered the dreams about global peace we had in the 80-s. Praemonitus, praemunitus.
So you feel that former Soviet nations should have more closer relations with your nation than in NATO? Is the influence of Westerns in the Kaukasus area really that bad? That area has been unstable for so long.
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