That's an emotional response with a complete lack of justification. Aren't they generating a majority of the US bad press? Maybe mixing them in with the army would resolve that issue.

Not true, the justification in in the military history.
Not true try again.
There is not a issue to be resolved so your suggestion is pointless

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"Chaplain Charlie will tell you about how the free world will conquer Communism with the aid of God and a few marines! God has a hard-on for marines because we kill everything we see! He plays His games, we play ours! To show our appreciation for so much power, we keep heaven packed with fresh souls! God was here before the Marine Corps! So you can give your heart to Jesus, but your ass belongs to the Corps! Do you ladies understand?"

amen.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)

First of all, Haditha was a set up. Read here:
http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKi...1%5D.BATES.pdf

and here:

American Thinker Blog: Was Haditha a deliberate propaganda ploy by al Qaeda?

and here:



Second, Blackwater fell into the same type trap. The insurgents set up an ambush in a crowded area, looking for media sympathy. The Blackwater vehicles were full of bullet holes from the insurgents.

Third, I have operated extensivly in Nangarhar Province. The scenario the Marines state is very likely. It is SOP for the insurgents to commit this type of act. They set up the primary ambush, with secondary ambushes along likely ingress/egress routes. Their favorite spots are in villages.

We ran into a similar situation outside Jalalabad City in 2005. My Battalion was pulling out of the Kunar valley after a massive operation, and heading back to Jalalabad airfield for after action debriefings. One company was left behind for rear guard while the rest of the Battalion exfiled. Once we were all back at the FOB, the rear guard broke position, and headed back to the FOB.

Lots of action ensued, the militants who refused to fight the whole battalion jumped on the one company, and got their asses handed to them. The Company Commander was awarded the Bronze Star for his actions and leadership.

Once out of the Kunar valley and those fights, they loaded up on trucks, and headed home. They ran into a couple of small actions along the way to the finaly. As they were nearing Jalalbad on the far side of the river, the insurgents kicked off another LARGE ambush using RPGs, RPK,s and AKs in a small village that lined both sides of the road. The insurgents were firing from inside houses that they had the families held hostage in, intentionally drawing our fire into them. Luckily, no civilians were hurt, but many insurgents who were outside the buildings were cut down.

So, for all you nay-sayers who think you know what you are talking about, I would ask you to throw on a pair of boots and a vest, go over there, and see what the real story is. At the very least, ask someone who was involved. But please, for the love of God, quit making assumptions and talking out of your asses about our guys using excessive force, or force when it isn't necessary, just because you don't like Bush. It really raises the blood pressure, know what I'm saying?

The sad thruth is, they don't leave their FOBs for the most part, or are stationed where nothing is going on.

The Army is a low rent organization that can't find its ass with two hands, a flashlight, and a map now a days. The Afghanis thought they were the biggest joke around, and the Iraqi's think they are weak and lazy.

I do know some awesome Army units, don't get me wrong, but as a whole, the army sucks.

First of all, Haditha was a set up. Read here:
http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKi...1%5D.BATES.pdf

and here:

American Thinker Blog: Was Haditha a deliberate propaganda ploy by al Qaeda?

and here:



Second, Blackwater fell into the same type trap. The insurgents set up an ambush in a crowded area, looking for media sympathy. The Blackwater vehicles were full of bullet holes from the insurgents.

Third, I have operated extensivly in Nangarhar Province. The scenario the Marines state is very likely. It is SOP for the insurgents to commit this type of act. They set up the primary ambush, with secondary ambushes along likely ingress/egress routes. Their favorite spots are in villages.

We ran into a similar situation outside Jalalabad City in 2005. My Battalion was pulling out of the Kunar valley after a massive operation, and heading back to Jalalabad airfield for after action debriefings. One company was left behind for rear guard while the rest of the Battalion exfiled. Once we were all back at the FOB, the rear guard broke position, and headed back to the FOB.

Lots of action ensued, the militants who refused to fight the whole battalion jumped on the one company, and got their asses handed to them. The Company Commander was awarded the Bronze Star for his actions and leadership.

Once out of the Kunar valley and those fights, they loaded up on trucks, and headed home. They ran into a couple of small actions along the way to the finaly. As they were nearing Jalalbad on the far side of the river, the insurgents kicked off another LARGE ambush using RPGs, RPK,s and AKs in a small village that lined both sides of the road. The insurgents were firing from inside houses that they had the families held hostage in, intentionally drawing our fire into them. Luckily, no civilians were hurt, but many insurgents who were outside the buildings were cut down.

So, for all you nay-sayers who think you know what you are talking about, I would ask you to throw on a pair of boots and a vest, go over there, and see what the real story is. At the very least, ask someone who was involved. But please, for the love of God, quit making assumptions and talking out of your asses about our guys using excessive force, or force when it isn't necessary, just because you don't like Bush. It really raises the blood pressure, know what I'm saying?

Semper Fidelis Devil Dog!!!!

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"Chaplain Charlie will tell you about how the free world will conquer Communism with the aid of God and a few marines! God has a hard-on for marines because we kill everything we see! He plays His games, we play ours! To show our appreciation for so much power, we keep heaven packed with fresh souls! God was here before the Marine Corps! So you can give your heart to Jesus, but your ass belongs to the Corps! Do you ladies understand?"

Why would anyone with a working brain cell want to throw on a pair of boots and go there? Fighting a lost war while killing civilians is bad enough without being there.

No red, white and blue pom poms to go with the slogans?

re: your last 2 posts- your derision isn't very attractive americano....

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)

I didn't know they had wars where civilians didn't die...........you know of any? I'm sure that those who join up have their reasons. I certainly wouldn't dismiss them as brainless.

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Yep, that's what I thought. Keyboard activist and nothing more. More concerned about saving your own skin than getting the real truth.

Throw out some more rhetoric about baby killing though, it covers your cowardice nicely.

Can't refute the facts, so you just throw out the incompetence and indiscriminate killing cards?

One becomes weary of uniformed grown men acting like chest beating braggart children. I do realize their bravado/team/camaraderie remarks are primary psychological factors that provide them with the motivation to do their job and understand their training empathizes it to instill the attitude necessary to keep them functioning in their chosen circumstances, but it reminds me of a bowling team trying to roll strikes on a football field. Over and over again while wondering why the crowd has disappeared. I'm of the opinion that those who chose/choose the military are unaware that many civilians would prefer that they go about their lives without bothering others with their rationalizations, slogans and look at me, I'm a ______ . Perhaps other vocations could begin touting their professions and military buffs would realize how boring listening to someone else talk about what they did/do actually is. Maybe we could start with engineers, morticians or even stamp collectors.