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Old 01-08-2008
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Re: Slaughter of Afghan civilians; Marine tribunal opens

Forgot this link, it is a very good read on the people who "broke" the story of "atrocities" to the dumbass reporter who eagerly lapped up the insurgents BS story about what happened in Haditha.

Hot Air » Blog Archive » Marine report: Haditha “massacre” was engineered by Al Qaeda? Updated: What/when did Murtha know about this?

Yeah, I know it's Michelle and all that BS, but it sheds light on the true happenings.
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Old 01-08-2008
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One becomes weary of uniformed grown men acting like chest beating braggart children. I do realize their bravado/team/camaraderie remarks are primary psychological factors that provide them with the motivation to do their job and understand their training empathizes it to instill the attitude necessary to keep them functioning in their chosen circumstances, but it reminds me of a bowling team trying to roll strikes on a football field. Over and over again while wondering why the crowd has disappeared. I'm of the opinion that those who chose/choose the military are unaware that many civilians would prefer that they go about their lives without bothering others with their rationalizations, slogans and look at me, I'm a ______ . Perhaps other vocations could begin touting their professions and military buffs would realize how boring listening to someone else talk about what they did/do actually is. Maybe we could start with engineers, morticians or even stamp collectors.
I hope this wasn't aimed at me.
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Old 01-08-2008
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Can't refute the facts, so you just throw out the incompetence and indiscriminate killing cards?
As far as I'm concerned, you're doing the job you volunteered for, following your orders and that's that. Your competence and who you kill are what I'm paying for and I'm sadly disappointed my leadership is employing conventional skill sets in unconventional circumstances that often result in further antagonizing of the civilian citizenry of other countries by the deaths of their fellow citizens.
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Old 01-08-2008
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As far as I'm concerned, you're doing the job you volunteered for, following your orders and that's that. Your competence and who you kill are what I'm paying for and I'm sadly disappointed my leadership is employing conventional skill sets in unconventional circumstances that often result in further antagonizing of the civilian citizenry of other countries by the deaths of their fellow citizens.
Your right, I did volunteer and love my job.

As far as the rest, no matter how you try to sex it up with terminology, killing is killing. To the guy on the ground, there is no such thing as unconventional circumstances. All the rest is some guy trying to justify his job with big words. And lest you forget, the Marine Corps wrote the manual on counter-insurgency in the late 1800s, early 1900s. " The Small Wars Manual" is still the go to document on how to fight insurgents.
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Old 01-08-2008
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I hope this wasn't aimed at me.
I'm sure it was. We have a few members here whose keyboards that have an enormous set of balls underneath. They have a lot to say from the safety of Mom's basement.
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Civilians killed as many as ten miles away from the original incident are now termed enemies? Does that mean all indigenous persons in any country other than US marines are now defined as enemies?
Just those that get killed.
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I'm sure it was. We have a few members here whose keyboards that have an enormous set of balls underneath. They have a lot to say from the safety of Mom's basement.
I don't have a basement but do have the ability to pay others for the tasks they perform to secure their positions on the food chain. Other than at the civilian pinnacle of the profession killing has never been a highly compensated task. Trying to kill people who have the same intent as a vocation has normally always been at the lower end of any pay scale due to the potential physical/mental damage and ease of training and replacement, assembly line stuff. To each his/her own.
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I don't have a basement but do have the ability to pay others for the tasks they perform to secure their positions on the food chain. Other than at the civilian pinnacle of the profession killing has never been a highly compensated task. Trying to kill people who have the same intent as a vocation has normally always been at the lower end of any pay scale due to the potential physical/mental damage and ease of training and replacement, assembly line stuff. To each his/her own.
Simply incredible.
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Why would anyone with a working brain cell want to throw on a pair of boots and go there? Fighting a lost war while killing civilians is bad enough without being there.
one with a backbone and who isnt a coward and actually wants to serve their country not criticize it
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One becomes weary of uniformed grown men acting like chest beating braggart children. I do realize their bravado/team/camaraderie remarks are primary psychological factors that provide them with the motivation to do their job and understand their training empathizes it to instill the attitude necessary to keep them functioning in their chosen circumstances, but it reminds me of a bowling team trying to roll strikes on a football field. Over and over again while wondering why the crowd has disappeared. I'm of the opinion that those who chose/choose the military are unaware that many civilians would prefer that they go about their lives without bothering others with their rationalizations, slogans and look at me, I'm a ______ . Perhaps other vocations could begin touting their professions and military buffs would realize how boring listening to someone else talk about what they did/do actually is. Maybe we could start with engineers, morticians or even stamp collectors.

spoken like a true antiwar follower who wouldnt defend anything cause its not in their "skill set" to get their hands dirty

seems to me by your posts you and the goobers of this board , you guys cant handle the "military types" cause you know you could never handle the rigors of doing something other than for yourselves...and of course any physically demanding job would just be too much for you to handle you guys are above physical labor in the end military service is way out of your reach so you must condemn it and belittle it for "we mock what we dont understand" sums you guys up really well....
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spoken like a true antiwar follower who wouldnt defend anything cause its not in their "skill set" to get their hands dirty

seems to me by your posts you and the goobers of this board , you guys cant handle the "military types" cause you know you could never handle the rigors of doing something other than for yourselves...and of course any physically demanding job would just be too much for you to handle you guys are above physical labor in the end military service is way out of your reach so you must condemn it and belittle it for "we mock what we dont understand" sums you guys up really well....
I always felt plenty of blue water sailing on the fore deck, downhill skiing, stalking elk in their natural habitat and classic car restoration fulfilled my desire for exercise. Why would I want to volunteer to put myself in a position of people desperately trying to kill me? I pay for defense. That's someone else's chosen career.
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Simply incredible.
Sounds like you stepped out of your comfort zone.
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Re: Slaughter of Afghan civilians; Marine tribunal opens

Actually, I kinda like listening to engineers talk about their job. Maybe it's a perversion, I dunno.

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Re: Slaughter of Afghan civilians; Marine tribunal opens

Chassisman;
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We have a few members here whose keyboards that have an enormous set of balls underneath.
It won't catch on, lack of stability for one thing.
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Re: Slaughter of Afghan civilians; Marine tribunal opens

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Your right, I did volunteer and love my job.

As far as the rest, no matter how you try to sex it up with terminology, killing is killing.
On the face of it that sounds like you love the killing. What exactly is it that you do ?

Bear in mind that this thread is about the , apparent, cowardice and brutality of a bunch of apologies for soldiers whose chicken-shit escape plan involved the slaughter of a large number of innocent civilians. Further, that atrocity was smothered with lies to disguise it.

The accumulation of such incidents, along with many 'collateral damage' deaths and 'friendly fire' deaths has tarnished the reputation of the US military. Are you aware of that ?
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