did he get the V?

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Courage, Truth, Honor, Fidelity, Discipline, Hospitality, Industriousness, Self-Reliance, Perseverance

SomeMarine;
The media reports and the witness reports simply didn't fit the whitewash. You are guilty of exactly that of which you accuse me. There is a difference though. I don't have to explain, to an incredulous world, the dead women and kids, the bloodied bedrooms and the bodies full of American ordnance.

You didn't make any mention of the rape, torture, backshooting and premeditated murders. Reputation too sullied to bother ?

Imperator;
Off topic , juvenile, ad hominem pap.

Yes, since it was for actual combat. The plain bronze star can be awarded for as little as administartive support, the V is what establishes it as regards to actions performed against the enemy.

You are most welcomed. Forest replies as you shout.

But you are rare few who can't wait at home and fight a war when such an occation comes knocking on the doorstep.

So you feel that you are better than others and feel superiority in moral and customs? I can't see it like that.

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It just makes for an easier whitewash. You can offer promotions to your own instead of cash to foreigners.

I understand the difference, so that is why I asked.

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I am a liberal, a classical liberal. Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current collectivists have captured that designation in the United States. In Europe they are glad enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are.

Courage, Truth, Honor, Fidelity, Discipline, Hospitality, Industriousness, Self-Reliance, Perseverance

I did indeed mention the rapes and murders, and said that they perpetrators are getting off lightly. Backshooting happens in war, no big deal, in my mind. If your gonna shoot and run without cover, be prepared to get hit where you get hit.

What torture? Remember, your beliefs don't mirror mine. Water-boarding? Hell, I water boarded myself last time I went to the beach. Abu-Ghraib? Those dumbass soldiers have been prosecuted and jailed also. But, it also my opinion that wasn't torture. Dumbass BS? Yes. Torture? No.

I haven't shouted anywhere.

As most other countries, or when another country or the UN begs us to pull their asses out of another sling. Yes, America has not always been altruistic in our actions, but for the most part we try to be.

Yes. And you shouldn't see it the same way I do. You should feel YOUR country is the best on the planet.

Tracking ( now, that is )

wow sounds like something that could have been written by an Israeli newspaper person after a rocket goes off regards terrorist responsibilities, why they are justified etc....good job moon, I'll keep this handy..



rest-
And as far a haditha…just one little tidbit for you…are you aware that the defense team could not go to haditha? They could not for themselves look at the forensic evidence, or the actual place the attack ocurred etc…That sound fair to you?….and your “media reports”… this is the very same media that has lost interest in the iraq because there aren’t enough bodies blowing up? As usual, you hang your hat on thin air…Do I have to go into the whole witness thing too?? I hope not…..

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Oh, that is a verbal expression we use. It has little to do with actual shouting.

There is a sad unbalance to many yanks(and that is another thing not to get offended, here U.S. folk are called simply; jenkki) when they look at the UN. The United Nations are composed of all nations, bashing them is to bash all nations, including your own.
Succesful UN actions are not taken into account often, failed ones are.

On many measurements, it is.
I despise my nations military leaders and their incompitant actions, I don't trust our Goverment, I have serious doubts about our President and I see that Parliament is a failure once more. -And I'd defend my nation against any foe.
It's OK to be critical, but must also be able to carry responsibility.

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1. Alrighty. Not familiar with where you are from.

2. No offense taken, hell, we have our own little kiddie song about Yanks. Agreed on the UN. They do a swell job of feeding people and raising awareness about certain subjects, not so great at most other things. ( in my opinion )

3. Agreed, it is every humans duty to disagree with injustices, percieved or actual.

Some Marine;
No, we're talking about bound prisoners of war being backshot by their marine captors. Disgusted at the thought ? I should hope so.

Is this related to the Fallujah action? If it is, I have a little tid-bit of info for you on that one. While the actions technically met the rules of engagement, and technically fit in with the Law of Land Warfare, it certainly wasn't what I would have done.
Do I condone it? No, I don't.
Disgusted by it? Once again, no.

Again, why would I willfully put myself in a position of having people attempting to torture and/or kill me? I chose a vocation I felt would offer me the best rewards I was capable of achieving and can assure you, thanks to older people advising me, emotion was completely removed from that decision.

When counseling people seeking advice on their path in life I find it intellectually dishonest to consider recommending a vocation where they put their life at risk when commanded to do so with no input or decision as to the logic and reasoning behind such commands. You chose such a vocation and yet refuse any criticism of the orders you follow, preferring to defer criticism with statements of 'people should do what I do to understand what I do' with seemingly no understanding that a majority of any population prefers to avoid what you do. As your vocation requires you unquestionably following someone else's orders without your input or opinion, why do you feel it necessary to emotionally defend those orders when someone disagrees with the intent and results of following those orders? You're not personally responsible for anything but following and executing someone else's orders, a job you chose.