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Old 01-08-2008
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Slaughter of Afghan civilians; Marine tribunal opens

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The US Marine Corps has opened a special tribunal into the deaths of Afghan civilians last March.

As many as 19 Afghan civilians were allegedly killed when marines opened fire in Nangarhar province after their convoy was attacked by a car bomb.

An Afghan inquiry said the US troops opened fire indiscriminately but the marines said they were fired on and the civilians were caught in the crossfire.


The soldiers said they came under fire after the van exploded, but an inquiry by Afghanistan's Independent Human Rights Commission cited witness reports saying the marines had fired indiscriminately at pedestrians and vehicles in six different locations along a 10 mile (16 km) stretch of road.

In a move controversial within the US military, eight marines were called back to the US and the rest of the unit was removed from Afghanistan.

Also controversially, an army commander apologised in May over the incident.

BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | US opens Afghan deaths tribunal
Personally, I thought that the Haditha inquiry was a travesty of justice . The Iraqi version of events fitted the evidence. Now the Afghan version of events fits the evidence. Let's see if the pattern repeats itself.
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The Iraqi version of events fitted the evidence.
umm no it did not. Otherwise those Marines would have been sent to trial. But then again why let a little thing like not having evidence to disrupt your daily witch hunt.

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Now the Afghan version of events fits the evidence.
Jumping the gun a bit ant you? One such as your self would normally have learned their lessons when it comes to sending Marine down the river without so much as a trial.

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Let's see if the pattern repeats itself.
And if it does will you continue to claim military courts as a farce? Of course you will it will just perpetuate your biased MO.
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umm no it did not.
Sure it did. Men, women, children and babies shot to death in their rooms by way of American ordnance. You miss that bit ?

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Jumping the gun a bit ant you?
Not at all. The Afghan version fits the evidence. That's what I said . It's been reported already. Denying it would be 'jumping the gun'.

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And if it does will you continue to claim military courts as a farce? Of course you will it will just perpetuate your biased MO.
You mean that if I am confronted with what is evidently an American military whitewash will I stop to point that out ? Er.....let me think about it. Lol.
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Old 01-08-2008
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lets see if justice can prevail in these trials

unlike your version of justice which is all american soldiers are perfect and the terrorists are all heroes
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Re: Slaughter of Afghan civilians; Marine tribunal opens

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Sure it did. Men, women, children and babies shot to death in their rooms by way of American ordnance. You miss that bit ?



Not at all. The Afghan version fits the evidence. That's what I said . It's been reported already. Denying it would be 'jumping the gun'.



You mean that if I am confronted with what is evidently an American military whitewash will I stop to point that out ? Er.....let me think about it. Lol.
I try to keep in mind that you insist that when your Pal-pals blow up men , women, children, and babies, you rush to their defense with " they had no other choice, as they were provoked". You can't have it both ways , moon.
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Re: Slaughter of Afghan civilians; Marine tribunal opens

Chassisman;
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you rush to their defense with " they had no other choice, as they were provoked".
Link please, and I don't mean to the Big Book of Chassisman Bedtime Stories.
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I try to keep in mind that you insist that when your Pal-pals blow up men , women, children, and babies, you rush to their defense with " they had no other choice, as they were provoked". You can't have it both ways , moon.
Isn't this an instance of an occupying military killing civilians with the same disregard Blackwater mercenaries employed in Iraq?

"Afghanistan's Independent Human Rights Commission cited witness reports saying the marines had fired indiscriminately at pedestrians and vehicles in six different locations along a 10 mile (16 km) stretch of road."

I can almost accept one mistake, but a ten mile stretch of road with multiple incidents? US forces are known to immediately summon air support when under fire, making this appear more like indiscriminate killing.

Out of curiosity, why do these incidents invariably involve US troops when other NATO combat troops are present and engaged in the same activities in the same area?
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Re: Slaughter of Afghan civilians; Marine tribunal opens

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Personally, I thought that the Haditha inquiry was a travesty of justice . The Iraqi version of events fitted the evidence. Now the Afghan version of events fits the evidence. Let's see if the pattern repeats itself.
really want to really discuss haditha moon? or are you just excersing your usual hit and run one line wit? This means you'll have to google a lot and study up....I aint gonna do your leg work...


and keys the here are - in your latest "they be bad folk" thread the marines opened the inquiry due to complaints..the unit has been removed...aaaaaaaannnnnndddddddd as usual your partisan ranitng is nonsensical....we'll wait for the next gazan to be killed for firing rockets into israel so you can tell us how wrong that is.....


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The nato units other than Canadians, Danes, Aussies are not engaged in the same type of behavior regards active patrolling etc..in fact they already have the reputation amongst the Taliban of not being very much to worry about regards offensive ops in their area….besides that, the danes contingent in Afghan, is 300 guys I believe and the aussies….uhmm 500? our numbers are so large I would expect it so, there have been other incidents…one with a Canadian team I believe..a while back…anyway.


I do agree, IF there is evidence that there was shots fired down a stretch a of road like that , there needs to be an inquiry etc…it doesn’t add up…
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really want to really discuss haditha moon? or are you just excersing your usual hit and run one line wit? This means you'll have to google a lot and study up....I aint gonna do your leg work...


and keys the here are - in your latest "they be bad folk" thread the marines opened the inquiry due to complaints..the unit has been removed...aaaaaaaannnnnndddddddd as usual your partisan ranitng is nonsensical....we'll wait for the next gazan to be killed for firing rockets into israel so you can tell us how wrong that is.....


Americano –

The nato units other than Canadians, Danes, Aussies are not engaged in the same type of behavior regards active patrolling etc..in fact they already have the reputation amongst the Taliban of not being very much to worry about regards offensive ops in their area….besides that, the danes contingent in Afghan, is 300 guys I believe and the aussies….uhmm 500? our numbers are so large I would expect it so, there have been other incidents…one with a Canadian team I believe..a while back…anyway.


I do agree, IF there is evidence that there was shots fired down a stretch a of road like that , there needs to be an inquiry etc…it doesn’t add up…
There are 5000 Brits patrolling areas with the heaviest concentration of poppy production in Afghanistan, literally surrounded by resistance, bandits, clan warfare, Taliban and I have yet to read of even one similar incident by UK troops in Afghanistan or for that matter Iraq. Something doesn't add up. Perhaps UK combat troops being more professional than civilian economically disadvantaged US volunteer forces?
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Re: Slaughter of Afghan civilians; Marine tribunal opens

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really want to really discuss haditha moon?
Sure. If you'd care to resurrect the Haditha thread I'd be glad to.
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Re: Slaughter of Afghan civilians; Marine tribunal opens

As many as 19 USA Enemies were killed when marines opened fire in Nangarhar province after their convoy was attacked by a car bomb.
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As many as 19 USA Enemies were killed when marines opened fire in Nangarhar province after their convoy was attacked by a car bomb.
Civilians killed as many as ten miles away from the original incident are now termed enemies? Does that mean all indigenous persons in any country other than US marines are now defined as enemies?
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Does that mean all indigenous persons in any country other than US marines are now defined as enemies?
Lol. That would mean a very short future for the US military.
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Does that mean all indigenous persons in any country other than US marines are now defined as enemies?
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Lol. That would mean a very short future for the US military.
From what I read about the Iraq war, a country with a pre-invasion population of 26M with the formal military virtually decimated and disbanded in a few short weeks, that's just about worn out US military ground forces over a five-year period. Since the marines have been converted into ground troops fighting right along side the army, I often wonder why those forces haven't been consolidated for the sake of cost, deployment and operating efficiency. Some of the US DoD thinking has zero logic. DoD will obviously be demanding more cannon fodder resources from a Southern Democrat dominated congress disguised as Republicans to waste in the contrived war on terror, so what difference does it make what designation they wear?
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so what difference does it make what designation they wear?
its all the difference in the world
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