Report; Zionist assassins bomb sleeping civilians. - Page 6 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

AshleyKennedy · #76 (**permalink**) 02-22-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

No, hatred colors your judgments. It doesn't matter to you that the bulk of evidence so far indicates that the blast originated within the house. It's gotta be the Zionists.

Global warming? The Zionists.

Your halitosis? The Zionists.

ad nauseum

Hmm, now lets think which country has a state policy of extra-judicial assassination?

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Olmert Israel Can “Attack Everyone”

In Israel and the Occupied Territories, more than ninety Palestinians were seized and brought back into Israel Sunday in an Israeli raid. One Palestinian civilian and three Hamas militants were killed, and twenty people were wounded before Israeli forces withdrew. The raids came as Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert announced Israel has the right to “attack everyone” if Palestinians fire rockets.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert: “We have completely a free hand to respond, to reach out and to attack everyone which is having any kind of responsibility on behalf of Hamas in the southern part of our country.”

Olmert went on to say he doesn’t expect to reach a peace deal with the Palestinian Authority this year, only a set of "basic principles.” He said Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has agreed to delay talks on the status of Jerusalem until the very last stages, but Palestinian officials are denying the claim. Israel has announced two major settlement expansion projects in Arab East Jerusalem since the U.S.-brokered Annapolis summit last November. Olmert’s comments came as Hamas spokesperson Sami Abu Zuhri said Hamas remains open to talks on a ceasefire with Israel.

Sami Abu Zuhri: “Hamas has confirmed that it has no objection to studying the matter if the Israeli occupation commits to stopping all forms of aggression against our Palestinian people and lifts the siege that is imposed on our people.”

Democracy Now! | Headlines for February 18, 2008

Which country carries out extra-judicial assassination at times when the target is known to be at home and sleeping??

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Naji Khaled Isma'il al-Bardawil
14 year-old resident of Khan Yunis, killed on 03.10.2006 in Khan Yunis, by gunfire, from a helicopter. Did not participate in hostilities when killed. Additional information: Killed by missiles fired at a metal workshop while sleeping in his room with his brother, who was injured in the incident.

Has Israel ever cared about collateral damage?

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When, in October 1997, the halfblind, almost wholly paralysed Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, who has been killed in an Israeli air strike at the age of around 67, arrived in Gaza, after being released from an Israeli jail in exchange for Mossad agents caught redhanded trying to assassinate a colleague in Jordan, one Arab commentator likened him to Nelson Mandela.

The comparison must have made Yasser Arafat seethe inwardly, even as he heaped homage on the returning hero. In his view, if there were any Palestinian Mandela - any unique, historic leader of the Palestinian people - it was himself.

Obituary: Sheikh Ahmed Yassin | World news | The Guardian

Both to Palestinians or to Israeli from the blow-back.

Democracy Now! | Does Israel's Assassination of Hamas Founder Yassin Make Israelis Safer?

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13th June 2006: Hisham Ashraf Farouq al-Mughrabi, 14, of Gaza City, Maher Ashraf Farouq al-Mughrabi, 8, of Gaza City ,the brothers along with their father and Rafiq Muhammad Faraj al-Mubayed, 17, of Gaza City, killed, by an IDF missile while gathered at the site of a targeted assassination. Eight civilians were killed.

20th June 2006: Samia Mahmoud Ziad al-Sharif, 5, of Gaza City, Muhammad Jamal Shukri Ruqa, 6, of Gaza City while going to their local grocery store and Bilal Jaser al-Hisi, 16, of Gaza City, while at work, killed by an IDF missile during a targeted assassination attempt.

21st June 2006: Majzarah Shaban Abdul-Qader Ahmad, 12 hours, of Khan Younis, Gaza, killed, with her mother and uncle, by an IDF missile during a targeted assassination attempt.

21st June 2006: Two Palestinians, a woman and a man, have been killed in the Gaza Strip in a blast blamed on an Israeli air strike.
Sources quoted by Reuters news agency said seven others, including a number children, were wounded in the blast which hit a house in Khan Younis.
Israel has killed at least 11 Palestinian civilians in air strikes in recent days, many of them children.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israel missile kills two in Gaza

Do Israelis only use missiles for extra-judicial assassination???

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Osama Jawabreh
29 year-old resident of Nablus, killed on 25.06.2001 in Nablus, by explosion. He was the object of a targeted killing. Additional information: Killed inside a phone booth by an explosion. Two brothers, aged 2 and 4, who were nearby were wounded in the incident.

Fawaz Sharif Badran
27 year-old resident of Tulkarm, killed on 13.07.2001 in Tulkarm, by explosion. He was the object of a targeted killing. Additional information: Killed when he got into his car.

Ahmad Hassan Marshud
29 year-old resident of Nablus, killed on 15.10.2001 in Nablus, by explosion. He was the object of a targeted killing.

Iyad Lafi al-Hares
Resident of Rafah, killed on 16.10.2001 in Rafah, by explosion. He was the object of a targeted killing.

Ra'id Muhammad Ra'if Carmi
28 year-old resident of Tulkarm, killed on 14.01.2002 in Tulkarm, by explosion. He was the object of a targeted killing. Additional information: Killed by explosives planted by Israel.

Naziya Mahmoud Abu a-Saba'a
26 year-old resident of Jenin Refugee Camp, killed on 16.02.2002 in Jenin, by explosion. He was the object of a targeted killing. Additional information: Killed when a device planted inside his car exploded.

Muhammad Ishtawi 'Abiyat
28 year-old resident of Beit Jala, Bethlehem district, killed on 13.10.2002 in Beit Jala, Bethlehem district, by explosion. He was the object of a targeted killing. Additional information: Killed in an explosion in a telephone booth.

Hamed a-Sader
32 year-old resident of Nablus, killed on 04.11.2002 in Nablus, by explosion. He was the object of a targeted killing. Additional information: Killed by a bomb placed by the IDF in the car in which he was riding.

'Imad Nasharteh
22 year-old resident of Jenin Refugee Camp, killed on 26.11.2002 in Jenin Refugee Camp, by explosion. He was the object of a targeted killing. Additional information: Killed in the explosion of the house he was staying at.

'Alaa a-Saba'a
26 year-old resident of Jenin Refugee Camp, killed on 26.11.2002 in Jenin Refugee Camp, by explosion. He was the object of a targeted killing. Additional information: Killed in the explosion of the house he was staying at.

Iyad Faraj Sheldan
23 year-old resident of Gaza city, killed on 16.02.2003 in Gaza city, by explosion. He was the object of a targeted killing.

Mufid 'Awad al-Bil
21 year-old resident of Gaza city, killed on 16.02.2003 in Gaza city, by explosion. He was the object of a targeted killing.

Akram Fahmi Nassar
25 year-old resident of Gaza city, killed on 16.02.2003 in Gaza city, by explosion. He was the object of a targeted killing.

Muhammad Isma'il Salmi
23 year-old resident of Gaza city, killed on 16.02.2003 in Gaza city, by explosion. He was the object of a targeted killing.

Nidal Fathi Farhat
30 year-old resident of Gaza city, killed on 16.02.2003 in Gaza city, by explosion. He was the object of a targeted killing.

B'Tselem - Statistics - Fatalities

So Israel is a likely culprit.

pramjockey · #77 (**permalink**) 02-22-2008

I'm not claiming that Israel doesn't do these kinds of things. To accuse me of such is disingenuous. But, it's far more likely that this guy had explosives in his house that went off unintentionally than Israeli agents sneaking into this guy's house and planting such a quantity to make this kind of explosion. There's no evidence that this was an airstrike.

Occam's razor and all.

AshleyKennedy · #78 (**permalink**) 02-22-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

I'm not claiming that Israel doesn't do these kinds of things. To accuse me of such is disingenuous. But, it's far more likely that this guy had explosives in his house that went off unintentionally than Israeli agents sneaking into this guy's house and planting such a quantity to make this kind of explosion. There's no evidence that this was an airstrike.

Occam's razor and all.

Now lets think. How many bombers have blown themselves up???

And how many extra-judicial assassinations have there been????

So it turns out it is 150 times more likely that it was an Israeli assassination. That's one big razor.

pramjockey · #79 (**permalink**) 02-22-2008

You're talking about ameteurs working with high explosives. All it takes is one bad detonator.

Your math? A bit faulty.

AshleyKennedy · #80 (**permalink**) 02-22-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

You're talking about amateurs working with high explosives. All it takes is one bad detonator.

Your math? A bit faulty.

The Palestinians are definitely professionals.

The maths is good.

pramjockey · #81 (**permalink**) 02-22-2008

Hamas members arrested after accidental blast at bomb factory - Middle East, World - Independent.co.uk

It happens.

AshleyKennedy · #82 (**permalink**) 02-22-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

Hamas members arrested after accidental blast at bomb factory - Middle East, World - Independent.co.uk

It happens.

Wednesday, 21 March 2001

Hmmmm. 150:1. Israel is odds on favourite.

pramjockey · #83 (**permalink**) 02-22-2008

Puhleeze.

The US military uses 100x more bullets than private gun owners. Therefore, if someone is shot, it's clearly the US military.

That's your "logic." It doesn't work.

moon · #84 (**permalink**) 02-23-2008

This sheepish drift into spurious analogy doesn't get you off the hook, pramjockey. I wouldn't normally bother harping on it but you're particularly offensive. Once more, you have absolutely no right to state that the report is 'false'. Believing that there might be an, investigable, alternative explanation is wholly different from brazenly declaring that I have posted a 'false' report. It's disreputable.

Not so long ago I was accused of altering the Google cache to fit my thread title. I think you might have been prominent in that routed throng too.

AshleyKennedy · #85 (**permalink**) 02-23-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

Puhleeze.

The US military uses 100x more bullets than private gun owners. Therefore, if someone is shot, it's clearly the US military.

That's your "logic." It doesn't work.

I don't know where you get your logic but your logic is illogical.

Israel has assassinated how many Palestinians??

Palestinians killed during the course of a targeted killing
376

Palestinians who were the object of a targeted killing
227

B'Tselem - Statistics - Fatalities

Number of Palestinians who have blown themselves up while bomb making?

looks like 150:1 chance that the Israelis blew the place up.

Imperator · #86 (**permalink**) 02-23-2008

and theres a 175,000.000 chance to hit the lotto or get hit by lightning....so? It still happens...Looking at the other links pchr etc. its a possibility thats all.....I am sure there is an investigation oning and we will see...

pramjockey · #87 (**permalink**) 02-23-2008

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Originally Posted by moon

Not so long ago I was accused of altering the Google cache to fit my thread title. I think you might have been prominent in that routed throng too.

WTF are you babbling about, now? I have no recollection of anything to do with a Google cache.

pramjockey · #88 (**permalink**) 02-23-2008

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Originally Posted by AshleyKennedy

I don't know where you get your logic but your logic is illogical.

Israel has assassinated how many Palestinians??

Palestinians killed during the course of a targeted killing
376

Palestinians who were the object of a targeted killing
227

B'Tselem - Statistics - Fatalities

Number of Palestinians who have blown themselves up while bomb making?

looks like 150:1 chance that the Israelis blew the place up.

You really think that this makes logical sense?

Scary.