That's fine. However, if you want to accuse me of having something to do with it, a link would be very helpful.

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You weren't involved in the Google cache stupidity, just part of the mob demanding a retraction of the truth. Thread deleted, unfortunately, due to some foul accusations. I'll save you to disc next time.

there have been over 7,000 kassam fired on israeli territory since all jews were removed from gaza. israel responds by targeted killing of the rocket operatives. the rocket operatives use "human camouflage" as a deterrent against israeli reprisals. the effectiveness of that tactic is evidenced by the condemnation of israel over the infant's death. but under geneva convention rules of warfare:

"The Fourth Geneva Convention goes into great and elaborate detail about how to assign fault when military activities take place in civilian areas... Hamas is at war with Israel. But instead of separating themselves from the general population in military camps and wearing uniforms, as required by international law, Hamas members and other Palestinian terrorists try to use civilians -- the "protected persons" mentioned in [The Fourth Geneva Convention] 3:1:28 -- as living camouflage. To prevent such a thing from happening, international law explicitly gives Israel the right to conduct military operations against military targets under these circumstances."

Article 28
The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations.

Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War

thus when the rocket operative fires a kassam at israeli civilians he/she cannot seeks th protection of civilian sandbags.

Gaza is tiny and the most densely populated place on earth. The Zionists, on the other hand, are well known for using Palestinians as human shields. They have even resorted to tying them to the fronts of their armored vehicles. Show us some examples of that sort of behaviour from the Palestinians.

That's a challenge to your hasbara post, above.


The Israeli judiciary have banned the Zionists from using Palestinians as human shields but the practice continues. Thus not only are the Zionists in breach of international law and the Geneva Conventions but they spit upon internal Israeli law too. Nice chaps, your friends the IOF.

It seems to me that deliberately attacking Israel from the proximity of schools is using the children as a human shield.

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Are you referring to the Zionist report of rockets being prepared near a school followed by their claim that the children they killed were therefore collateral damage ?

Or are you referring to some other Zionist report.

the challenge: the gauntlet has been thrown!!


firstly, the gaza is not the most densely populated place on earth!

360 sq km /1,482,405 = 4117 per sq km

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...gz.html#People

World (land only) 6,637,694,858 148,940,000 44.57 [1]
1 Monaco................. 23,660
2 Macau S.A.R. (PRC)......17,699
3 Hong Kong S.A.R. (PRC)....6,407
4 Singapore 4,483,900 704...6,369
5 Gibraltar (UK)............4,654
List of countries by population density - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

thus your assertion has effectively been proven wrong.

the infrequent us of palestinians as human shields has been rightly criticized and condemned and outlawed.

but the gazans have not outlawed criticized nor condemned the use of civilian populations as protective barriers against israeli retaliation. in fact it is the policy of hamas to use civilians as suicide bombers, to use children as bomb transporters and human sandbags.

so moony, at some point the frequency of use, ie the continuous and frequent use by hamas of it civilian population as participants in combat has a quality of evil that cannot be compared with the infrequent and publicly condemned israeli use.

let me give you an example of palestinian sanctioning the use of human shields and its implications:

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Human shield deters Israel strike

This should be good...


This is small detail of no consequence in the greater issues.

Civilians have the right to use themselves as shields to protect their homes; if people choose to use themselves as a shield to defend their lands against attack they have a right to do so...

I have no credible evidence that Hamas "frequently" uses "civilians" as human shields in combat situations.

Once again; people have a right to use their bodies to protect their homes and land. There is nothing in international law that I know of that forbids people from serving as voluntary human shields.

Now if Hamas actually took possession of them and forced them to act as human shields or outright ordered them to do so than we could scream warcrime.

Where do you get this 7,000 number? According to the United Nations Office for the Coordination for Humanitarian Affairs; 2,696 Qassams were fired from Gaza from 2004 to late 2007...

http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/CAS_Aug07.pdf

In contrast Israel fired 14,000 shells into Gaza in 2006 alone...

http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/CAS_Aug07.pdf

While the mere presence of protected persons does not make a point immune from military operations the 4th Geneva Conventions also makes it clear that measures are to be taken to insure the safety of protected persons:

Article 3 of the "Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War:"

In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:

1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.

To this end, the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:

(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture

What these means is that Israel does not have the right to indiscrimately bomb civilian areas or civilian targets under the guise that the presence of civilians does not render these areas immune from operations.

I hate to do this but I have to call "nobody' on plagiarism; when someone omits a source they tend to do so for a reason! The above quote is not from "nobody" but from neo-conservative Zionist John Podhoretz:

Teach Kids Peace – Palestinian Children Under Fire

The above website is a part of a Zionist media outfit that is openly pro-Israel! Is it not strange how Zionists cannot defend Israel without using Zionist propaganda or Wikipedia? Even "nobody" likely knew his source was shoddy as he chose to omit the link to the source...

to which i provided evidence to the contrary.

indeed it may be of little consequence in the greater issues, but it was an assertion that needed to be countered. surely you are not against a minor correction to a factual error!!??

next i will entertain the remaining intellectual drivel in following posts. pray be patient since i work for a living.

okay then...so collateral damage should be no surprise....the attacks themselves are , in your eyes and in mine in some cases illegal or unnecessary……but in the end, if you stay in a home that was making bombs, harboring militants and its bulldozed or bombed…then?

As to that last blurb, hamas not that I am aware of as I have not attempted to google and look…nor am I tempted….as the link above alludes they certainly encourage them to stay.....of course they would never ever make them.....(sarcasm)...... As far as the brothers up north, we have the some of the same issues re: collateral damage, where in hezbollah uses civilian structures for arms caching, command and control and as fighting bunkers…so, all of the civilian causalities that occur or have occurred appear to me some what suspicious as in, why are they there..why is Hezbollah there? ( to defend their homes, then you know what happens) and why the civilians just hang around, in the face of an air and ground offensive…point? I think they are “encouraged” to stay my op. …but anyway that’s neither here nor there..…

as far as screaming war crime , I cannot envison you screaming about any crime/action that winds up in Israeli harm..period...

its all so nonsensical anyway...

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Allow me to correct you; a minor correction to a minor factual error...

You have no need to worry since your arguments have likely been lifted from someone else! I am more concerned about your willingness to engage in plagiarism then spewing drivel.

i stand correctly chastised for being a missing link. now answer to the substance of the quote which finds its essence in:

two examples by image of just such a circumstance:

This cartoon comes to mind when I see folks like you treating such indiscriminate bomb attacks by Israel as merely inflicting collateral damage: