BBC documentary: Al Qeada essentially faricated and doesn't exist - Page 7 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

Rakkasan · #91 (**permalink**) 04-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Imperator

What a wonderful way of arguing a point, by making the point disappear...disagree with the war, the wot on terror etc. just make it disappear, for the beeb, this is another low water mark.

it is an affective delusion for sure

AshleyKennedy · #92 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Imperator

What a wonderful way of arguing a point, by making the point disappear...disagree with the war, the wot on terror etc. just make it disappear, for the beeb, this is another low water mark.

I think you'll find that the BBC still put pictures of many bloody incidents up.

But the BBC challenges the stupidity of a GWoT, a war against a tactic???...

And then there is the US contention that there is a global conspiracy against the US and the US names that global conspiracy as al Qa'ida.

The beeb are doing a reasonable job of combating US delusions.

Richyrich03867 · #93 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008

Al Queda proper, for lack of a better name, is in hiding and not very active. Much of the original cadre has been killed or captured. However, they have spawned a vast group of AQ-inspired fanatics that call themselves "Al Quaeda". These people number in the thousands and were motivated to action by what they perceive as an attack on Islam by the west. Inexplicably some people refuse to believe they exist despite these groups' very active PR efforts. But then again, it's probably just some diabolical plan devised by Bush and Cheney after they blew up the twin towers and the levees in New Orleans. The same shadowy crew that tricked us into believing we put men on the moon

AshleyKennedy · #94 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Richyrich03867

Al Queda proper, for lack of a better name, is in hiding and not very active. Much of the original cadre has been killed or captured. However, they have spawned a vast group of AQ-inspired fanatics that call themselves "Al Quaeda".

Amazingly enough you have just said in one sentence what the BBC took three programmes to say. The rest was redundant.

What the lunatic fringe forget is that just because some fanatic in Algeria gets a label of al Qa'ida (either self proclaimed of pasted on by a Government) does not necessarily make that group al Qa'ida or a global conspiracy.

We all know there are terrorists, or are you suggesting that the word terrorist is now redundant and the correct word is now al Qa'ida?

In which case the Christian mafia in the US will need to be relabelled as al Qa'ida.

Andrewl · #95 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008

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Originally Posted by AshleyKennedy

Amazingly enough you have just said in one sentence what the BBC took three programmes to say. The rest was redundant.

But his succinct summary of the conclusion lacked the wonderful soundtrack of the BBC documentary.

Andrew

soot · #96 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008

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Originally Posted by AshleyKennedy

We all know there are terrorists, or are you suggesting that the word terrorist is now redundant and the correct word is now al Qa'ida?

If ia group identifies themselves with and as al Qa'ida then I really don't see the problem with considering them to be al Qa'ida.

Terrorist organizations rarely incorporate with their local department of assessments and taxation.

If they want to call themselves al Qa'ida, then they should be considered al Qa'ida, and they should be bombed as al Qa'ida.

SomeMarine · #97 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008

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Originally Posted by AshleyKennedy

But the BBC challenges the stupidity of a GWoT, a war against a tactic???...

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It's a war against those who USE that tactic

Andrewl · #98 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008

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Originally Posted by SomeMarine

It's a war against those who USE that tactic

You are are your own enemy. Its ultimately a war against war.

Andrew

AshleyKennedy · #99 (**permalink**) 04-05-2008

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Originally Posted by SomeMarine

It's a war against those who USE that tactic

Shrub used the "shock and awe" tactic are you going to have a war against the US affiliated al Qa'ida?

Slon · #**100** (**permalink**) 04-05-2008

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Originally Posted by SomeMarine

It's a war against those who USE that tactic

Then specific agencies that use it must be identified and specific and realistic conditions under which each agency is considered "defeated" must be set. These agencies would have to be limited in number, as opposed to declaring an endless "war" on a vague group of people that are popping up faster (net) as a result of invasions and occupations.

Oreo · #**101** (**permalink**) 04-06-2008

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Originally Posted by Danny

Allow me to clarify. I did mention that bin Laden was able to cooperate with Khalid Sheik Mohammed to pull off 9/11. Mohammed has his own network of radicals and needed bin Laden's financing. Together they pulled it off. Mohammed has been captured and his network pretty much destroyed. Bin Laden has been banished to the mountains.

That was the extent of Al Qaeda. It was bin Laden and a few of his thugs. It still exists today but is more or less inept.

The notion of a worldwide network of operatives was fabricated. Bin Laden was loosely affiliated with some other movements around the world but none of them take orders from him. It was propped up and spun quite brilliantly to incite fear.

Thats what the documentary says. I think it offers some compelling evidence to support its claim and is worth a watch.

I think Bin Laden has had his legs taken off at the knees. I don't believe he is really that effective as a leader, but is now more of the poster boy for world wide terrorism.

As we have all witnessed, it only takes one to kill hundreds. This gives the impression of a mighty army. I believe that Al Queda itself has lost much of it's popularity in the middle east. This is extemely important. They are now even hunted down by Sunni's, who once formed an alliance with them.

Every time a suicide bomber kills Muslims, the hate for Al Queda grows in the region.

Fidei Defensor · #**102** (**permalink**) 04-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Slon

Then specific agencies that use it must be identified and specific and realistic conditions under which each agency is considered "defeated" must be set. These agencies would have to be limited in number, as opposed to declaring an endless "war" on a vague group of people that are popping up faster (net) as a result of invasions and occupations.

They were identified in the AUMF. They enemy was defined as those groups or persons responsible for the 9/11 attacks, and the states that harbor them. The President came out quickly and said that was al Qaeda and Afghanistan.

AshleyKennedy · #**103** (**permalink**) 04-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Oreo

I believe that Al Queda itself has lost much of it's popularity in the middle east.

Do you read Arabic newspapers?

Slon · #**104** (**permalink**) 04-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Fidei Defensor

They were identified in the AUMF. They enemy was defined as those groups or persons responsible for the 9/11 attacks, and the states that harbor them. The President came out quickly and said that was al Qaeda and Afghanistan.

So when exactly is Afghanistan defeated? And how does it harbor dead suicide bombers who died on US soil (or perhaps just above it)?

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