C.I.A. no al-qaeda ever existed - BBC documentary "the power of nightmares" | polidics.com

What do you think about this BBC documentary that essentially says Bin Laden was never more than a leader of a few thugs and that Al Qaeda doesn't exist? I think they give compelling evidence across the board that shows this to be true.

uhm yea sure why not

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That site is just the usual "Americans are ignorant fools" routine.

Really - I thought better of you than this.

Doesn't change much. The President is already a proven liar and the Iraq invasion appears to be a lie-fueled sham to get Bush re-elected.

I initially dismissed it but was taking a break and decided to watch the 60 min video by he BBC who are a reputable new organization.

The problem with the whole thing is that the minute people hear Al Qaeda and "don't exist" they tune out and consider it a conspiracy theory. I don't blame them because 9/11 did happen.

The video demonstrates that bin Laden only has a few thug supporters and financed local Islamic militias in troubled parts of the world who were warm to his ideology but more interested in their own agendas.

Bin Laden did manage the 98 embassy bombings and cooperate with Khalid Sheik Mohammed to carry out 9/11. Those small networks have since been destroyed the video says and there is no network of terror operatives anywhere. Bush could declare the war on terror won and honestly we'd have to give him credit because that would be true. It would save his legacy but not help his interests so unfortunately it wont happen.

All the arrests in the USA (Detroit, Buffalo) that were touted as huge terror busts were complete fallacies and the convictions have been overturned.

In order for this to become mainstream you couldn't use "Al Qaeda never existed" as a headline because as I said people would tune out. It should be gradually revealed that Al Qaeda has been destroyed and was never as large at the Bush admin wanted you to believe.

I don't buy it. The 9/11 attacks required a huge degree of organized stealth, training, coordination, funding, and planning. The organization had also pulled off numerous bombings and attacks prior to 9/11 and after 9/11.

Al Qaida definitely exists... even if it was a relatively small, tight group.

I think the scope of Al Qaida and it's abilities, reach, and membership have been and continue to be overstated. In some respects, it doesn't matter though. Al Qaida is more or less a template for the growing radical Islamic movement. Terrorism will be carried out by many splinter groups that may hold Al Qaida as their inspiration.

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Alright - let us say I buy your argument. Who is responsible for 9/11?

Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11.

Don't they have a website...or is that fabricated also....CIA bastards!

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You just said it doesn't exist....

Wow... I can make a website in about 2 minutes. I don't think that proves anything.

Not that I'm trying to disprove Al Qaida's existence... just saying that line of reasoning is pretty flawed.

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Well, I guess that settles it!

The link you offered in the OP is entire bullshit.

It appraises the documentary inaccurately. No where in the documentary do they claim or try to prove Al Qaida did not exist. They merely question the authenticity of the threat they posed and the way that the Bush administration blew Al Qaida out of proportion in almost every way.
BBC NEWS | Programmes | The Power of Nightmares: Baby It's Cold Outside

I think the existence / non-existence argument is a non starter since the BBC documentary never brought it up. The original headline from www . polidics.com was essentially a mischaracteriztion... a shameless troll intended to get "diggs" for their site.

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Allow me to clarify. I did mention that bin Laden was able to cooperate with Khalid Sheik Mohammed to pull off 9/11. Mohammed has his own network of radicals and needed bin Laden's financing. Together they pulled it off. Mohammed has been captured and his network pretty much destroyed. Bin Laden has been banished to the mountains.

That was the extent of Al Qaeda. It was bin Laden and a few of his thugs. It still exists today but is more or less inept.

The notion of a worldwide network of operatives was fabricated. Bin Laden was loosely affiliated with some other movements around the world but none of them take orders from him. It was propped up and spun quite brilliantly to incite fear.

Thats what the documentary says. I think it offers some compelling evidence to support its claim and is worth a watch.

Huh?

Your entire premise for this thread is that they don't even exist.

Which is it?