From Frank's quote;
Extremist hardliners classified the UN as 'enemy' long ago, due to its prevaricating and Americanisations. They've blown up UN missions and attacked UN personnel . They don't believe for one minute that the UN has any commitment to human rights . There needs to be a great many more Dugards making a great deal more noise.

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668.....the neighbour of the beast.

Yanqui, go home.

Bush might like to read this as he prepares to congratulate Zionism for sixty years of ethnic cleansing and the souring of a region;


Vive la Resistance

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668.....the neighbour of the beast.

Yanqui, go home.

Blah blah... you are wasting your hate on a lame duck.


Hey Moon. What would your roadmap to ISR/PAL peace look like?

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Screw Change!! Let's have a Seamless Transition of Power and Policy.. John McSame in 2008!

Simply the application of international law and UN Resolutions. Anything else is just anti-Palestinian bollox.

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668.....the neighbour of the beast.

Yanqui, go home.

Aha.... so your roadmap would include a repeal of every Israeli entity going back to the land they "illegally" seized in 1948?

Calling for the Reposession of the entirety of Israel doesn't sound like a roadmap to peace to me..... it sounds like a Road Map to the Status Quo.



Congratulations.... no compromise is exactly where ISR/PAL stands today.....Both sides are currently reaping the benefits of the ideological stalemate that you support. Mission Accomplished, eh?

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Screw Change!! Let's have a Seamless Transition of Power and Policy.. John McSame in 2008!

Israel can keep the 78% of historical Palestine that constitutes "Israel" in the here and now. However, they should get out of the 22% of historical Palestine that they are currently strangling and colonising.

Since Israel is currently expanding the illegal settlements hence colonising the Occupied Palestinian Territories I would say the so called "road map" is quite dead.

As a dodo, along with the reputation of its architects.

The legal borders of Israel/Palestine must be determined according to international law and the application of UN Resolutions. If that requires the Israelis to give up all territory seized outside of the borders drawn up by Resolution 181 then that's the best that the 'two State' solution has to offer.
On the other hand, if Israel fails to respect international law and UN Resolutions then it has no right to exist within the framework of the UN.

LBS;
You're damned right it would, otherwise toss the rule book out and everybody reverts to 'grab-what-you-can-from-your-neighbour, not just the Israelis .

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668.....the neighbour of the beast.

Yanqui, go home.

Jesus!, isn't this the part of the word that invented the fucking barter system?

One has to give up something to get something..... that's called compromise.


Without compromise, a roadmap to peace does not exist, only a roadmap to where you're standing.

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Screw Change!! Let's have a Seamless Transition of Power and Policy.. John McSame in 2008!

Why does going back to the borders set by the UN, and giving up the fighting not qualify as a valid solution?

The UN resolutions describe the border, what is a better place to put the border than where it's already been placed by the UN?
If the Palestinians give up the struggle and accept a two state solution, isn't that the compromise.
Why should Israel get more?

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“The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine.”

Senator Thad Cochran, Mississippi (R)
on McCain

“I decided I didn’t want this guy anywhere near a trigger.”
Senator Pete Domenici, New Mexico (R)
on McCain

“My anger did not help my campaign ... People don’t like angry candidates very much.”

McCain on McCain

If you think Israel returning to the UN borders will stop the bloodshed, I've got a great opportunity in multi-level marketing that might be just perfect for you.....

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To take a time machine back to 1948 ignores the fact that there have been 2 major wars and many incidents of violence since then.....

Political borders often change in War and the losers usually don't get their land back because they have little, if any, leverage afterward.

To hand the entirety of the land over to the losing party 50 years after the fact amounts to complete reparations and completely ignores the leverage component of a possible deal. Absent any Palestinian leverage, they would have had to at least maintained a moral high ground... and that too is now absent.

It's an unrealistic demand, and it's not a legitimate starting point for negotiation. That's why persistence in such a static polar stance is the recipe for stalemate and why there is no roadmap to peace... only a map of a circular road that leads to where they already are. The Israeli government is also guilty of making unrealistic demands which solidifies the status quo. The United States is fruitlessly trying to arbitrate between two stubborn fools.

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Screw Change!! Let's have a Seamless Transition of Power and Policy.. John McSame in 2008!

Territory cannot be acquired by war , LBS, it's illegal. Therefore the only practical legal avenue is for both sides to accept the ruling of the UN.
It would be legal to change the UN borders by negotiation and agreement involving all parties, but that would require agreement by the majority of Palestinians, including the six million in the refugee diaspora.

Pigs on the wing.


Remember, no Palestinian leader can legally give away territory without the agreement of his people. Arafat tried that. A sneak 'agreement' with Abbas is going nowhere.

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668.....the neighbour of the beast.

Yanqui, go home.

So, if Hamas / Hezbollah / Iran ever got their wish and expelled Israel by force from some or all of their land (as defined by the UN borders), you'd naturally be right here calling for them to withdraw immediately, right moon?

Matt

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As long as there's a UN then international law should be respected . That means respecting the borders as described by the UN.

Try envisioning, Larson, one country for jews and muslims as existed before British greed opened the door to American ignorance. There's no reason why there can't be one country again, after the defeat of Zionism.

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668.....the neighbour of the beast.

Yanqui, go home.

Territory cannot legally be acquired by war itself. But the following Armistices or Treaties provide can provide new legal political borders. That's what happened in this case.

The Palestinians, not being recognized as a nation-state, largely had their fate decided by Jordan, Egypt, Lebonon, and Syria following the Arab-Israeli War.

Israel forced these Arab countries in submission, but they officially sanctioned the loss of "Palestinian" land.

Why do the Palestinians not complain about or attack these 4 Arab countries who, through signing the armistice, basically sold the land out from under the Palestinian people in order to provide benefits and safety for their own countries?

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Screw Change!! Let's have a Seamless Transition of Power and Policy.. John McSame in 2008!