Logically, there was a 20th hijacker, it probably wasn't this guy, but someone gamed out taking over airplanes with boxcutters and figured out that you needed 5 guys to make it work.
So someone missed the plane, chickened out, didn't feel good and took a sick day, or maybe never made it into the country, but they wouldn't use 5 man crews if four man crews worked just as well.

My opinion, it was a last minute no-show, because they waited on that plane and let it fly way past the logical takeover point, probably debating whether to go ahead with it or not, and when they went ahead with the plan, it didn't work, they were a man shy, what more evidence that 4 man crews don't work could you ask for.

Which also tells you that they did some awfully sophisticated planning and testing, because they knew that a 5 man crew was required, that's not exactly an obvious number, and they apparently knew that 4 men wouldn't work, but that 5 would.
Because it's not the kind of mission you send extra men on, just in case.

Which means that somewhere there are a bunch of people who played the parts of passengers and flight crew, maybe they are all dead, it's easier to keep the secret that way

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"[i] was not involved in seeing any memos, was not involved in any discussions about what was going on."
-- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, March 13, 2007

" I remember discussing with him this process of asking certain U.S. attorneys to resign."
-- Kyle Sampson, former chief of staff to Gonzales, testifying under oath, March 29, 2007

As far as I am concerned, attempting to blame Americans for 9/11 and therefore exonerate the terrosits is indeed anti-Americanism at its crudest and most offensive.

Whether it is a "lame debating tactic" is not of interest to me. I am not going to debate with someone about secret cover-ups and the dastardly plots of evil Americans.

Sorry.

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"Our fears in Banquo
Stick deep; in his royalty of nature
Reigns that which would be fear'd: 'tis much he dares;
And, to that dauntless temper of his mind,
He hath a wisdom that doth guide his valour
To act in safety."

Macbeth 3:1

Perhaps he's not trying to debate, but just offering a comment on the comment. With the tired nature of 9/11 conspiracy theories over the years, I wouldn't blame anyone for not wanting to debate the topic. I have no interest in it myself.

Question is, though, will ANY of the alleged terrorists be prosecuted at all?

Will the next President feel the need to lock-up the present incumbents in Gitmo for another 6 years?

Personally I have my doubts

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'They'd rather be alive than free, I guess. Poor dumb bastards.' Private Eightball - Full Metal Jacket

The art of war is of vital importance to the State. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War

Bingo

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"Our fears in Banquo
Stick deep; in his royalty of nature
Reigns that which would be fear'd: 'tis much he dares;
And, to that dauntless temper of his mind,
He hath a wisdom that doth guide his valour
To act in safety."

Macbeth 3:1

Has anyone watched the movie ZEITGEIST?

Part 1 of the movie is all about religion, which I am not interested in at all, but then it moves onto the NAU and 911.

I found numerous flaws in the movie, but it is worth watching for one particular reason. It has many video clips which were shown only ONCE on television.

It is now known that the Gulf of Tonkin event was a lie.

It is now known that FDR intentionally provoked the Japanese attack on Pearl and knew an attack was coming. While it can still be debated whetehr or not he knew Pearl was the target, as well as if he knew the date of the attack, but it is obvious to thinking people that Pearl would have been one of the most liekly targets.

Like I said, ZEITGEIST is available for free online, but it has many flaws. Still, the video clips alone make it worth watching.

If there is nothing to hide, then the government would release ALL the videos, not just of 911, but also for the OKC bombing.

Obviously there is something to hide. At least obvious to people who are capable of logical thought.

I would say there are at least 5 or 6 people at this forum capable of logical thought.

Yes, but when you simply accuse someone of being anti-American and don't attempt to address their question, you might as well just say "I don't know, I don't care and you're stupid."

Unfortunately, the 9/11 Conspiracy crowd is going to take that as a victory, people reading this thread and going to think you have a weak case and more harm will be done than good.

From my experience, the best thing one can do is simply do a little research and refute one's claim with readily available evidence. That way, you don't have to rely on emotion, the 9/11 conspiracy theorist looks like a moron and everyone learns a little something.

Perhaps we just have different approaches.

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"Anyone that needs what they want, and doesn’t want what they need
I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics

All three of the major contenders have said they favor closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay. (The Candidates on Military Tribunals and Guantanamo Bay - Council on Foreign Relations)

I expect some current detainees to be prosecuted and some to be freed, as they have been. I also expect the next President will continue to detain some enemy combatants without trial, wherever that may be.

Everyone but the 9/11 conspiracy theorist.

Time will tell, my friend. Certainly it does not bode well if none of them have been prosecuted thus far...

Thanks for the info on the candidates btw.

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'They'd rather be alive than free, I guess. Poor dumb bastards.' Private Eightball - Full Metal Jacket

The art of war is of vital importance to the State. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War

Oh, I can sympathize with that. I've debated 9/11 conspiracy theorists till I'm blue in the face on this site and others. I really have no interest in debating the topic anymore, either.

But, I was just commenting on his comment on...the other comment. Asking why the footage from the Pentagon hasn't been released is a legitimate question that some people may have, with no dark motives behind it. Accusing people who ask questions about 9/11 as being "anti-American" seems like a cop-out in my opinion.

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"Anyone that needs what they want, and doesn’t want what they need
I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics

LOL, true.

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"Anyone that needs what they want, and doesn’t want what they need
I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics

More like only 5 or 6 people on this forum accept your "facts" as being, um, "factual".

"It is now known..." is analogous to "Everybody knows that..." which is about as useful as, "According to this/that poll, the American people think/want...".

Sadly, you, er, forgot The U.S.S. Maine.

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! Stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.

No

According to conspiracy thinking, the lack of anything can raise questions that have sinister implications.

All of it comes back to blaming Americans for 9/11 and exonerating the terrorists. That is where they ALL lead to. I will have no part in it.

Whether you do battle or reason and argue with them is obviously your own choice. I will not.

"He who lies down with anti-American dogs gets up with conspiratorial fleas" or words to that effect.

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"Our fears in Banquo
Stick deep; in his royalty of nature
Reigns that which would be fear'd: 'tis much he dares;
And, to that dauntless temper of his mind,
He hath a wisdom that doth guide his valour
To act in safety."

Macbeth 3:1

Bingo again

Nice work

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"Our fears in Banquo
Stick deep; in his royalty of nature
Reigns that which would be fear'd: 'tis much he dares;
And, to that dauntless temper of his mind,
He hath a wisdom that doth guide his valour
To act in safety."

Macbeth 3:1