Originally Posted by Norrin Radd

Has anyone watched the movie ZEITGEIST?

Part 1 of the movie is all about religion, which I am not interested in at all, but then it moves onto the NAU and 911.

I found numerous flaws in the movie, but it is worth watching for one particular reason. It has many video clips which were shown only ONCE on television.

It is now known that the Gulf of Tonkin event was a lie.

It is now known that FDR intentionally provoked the Japanese attack on Pearl and knew an attack was coming. While it can still be debated whetehr or not he knew Pearl was the target, as well as if he knew the date of the attack, but it is obvious to thinking people that Pearl would have been one of the most liekly targets.

Like I said, ZEITGEIST is available for free online, but it has many flaws. Still, the video clips alone make it worth watching.

If there is nothing to hide, then the government would release ALL the videos, not just of 911, but also for the OKC bombing.

Obviously there is something to hide. At least obvious to people who are capable of logical thought.

I would say there are at least 5 or 6 people at this forum capable of logical thought.

Originally Posted by Speakeasy

.... Accusing people who ask questions about 9/11 as being "anti-American" seems like a cop-out in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Tim

No

According to conspiracy thinking, the lack of anything can raise questions that have sinister implications.

All of it comes back to blaming Americans for 9/11 and exonerating the terrorists. That is where they ALL lead to. I will have no part in it.

Whether you do battle or reason and argue with them is obviously your own choice. I will not.

"He who lies down with anti-American dogs gets up with conspiratorial fleas" or words to that effect.

Originally Posted by Speakeasy

LOL...(at your quote at the bottom)

It's impossible to convince a conspiracy theorist. However, it is possible to answer the question for others reading the thread who may wonder the same thing. There is absolutely nothing wrong with answering a legitimate question.

Originally Posted by Speakeasy

I don't understand why government incompetence is so often mistaken for government deviousness.

Originally Posted by Tim

Rubbish.

The answers are already built into the questions.

Here is the answer, in one form or another:

"Because Americans are evil and responsible for 9/11. Because those poor, nice Muslim terrorists are really just righteous, love-stuffed and love starved freedom fighters, as cuddly and irrepressible and frolicsome as all get out - and brave to boot (just ask Bill Maher!) - and the unwitting victims of Americans whose penchant for evil has no limits.

If we only looked at the EVIDENCE, we would see that it is AMERICANS who are responsible, and the terrorists (oops! Freedom fighters...) are only guilty of loving too much and having too much energy and goodness for the Americans to comprehend."

It is nauseating.

Originally Posted by Tim

Then answer it

Originally Posted by Speakeasy

So, any questions about 9/11 have a sinister motive behind them?

Originally Posted by Tim

Oh come on....

You must know perfectly well what I mean.

A discussion - yes. A discussion that starts out with: "What is the government covering up...*wink, wink, hint, hint*...." does give one a hint, doesn't it?

Originally Posted by Speakeasy

Of the 84 unreleased videos from the Pentagon, only 13 were pointed in the direction of the crash. Only 12 of those have video of the impact, none of which show the plane (they are low speed cameras similar to the ones already released from the Pentagon and thus didn't capture the plan flying at 500mph). Pentagon security mainly relies on foot patrols, so high quality cameras aren't that necessary.

When someone requests information in an freedom of information act request, they must be very specific with what they want. At first they demanded all videos from the pentagon showing the plane impacting the building. After quite awhile, the two videos that we're familiar with were released. They've recently requested that all 84 videos from the Pentagon be released and from what I understand, the request is still pending. I'm sure we'll get them eventually, these things just take forever.

Originally Posted by Speakeasy

I agree. But, as I've said (or maybe I haven't, but meant to), answer the question not for the conspiracy theorist, but for those who are reading the thread and might have the same question but are afraid to ask because they'll be labeled as anti-American.

Originally Posted by Tim

I just don't understand what is that strange about that. Getting a driver's license renewed is a major beuracratric event. Why is it odd that the Pentagon is extremely cautious and even secretive about footage of 9/11?

Just typing this is tiring. If you see something sinister in this, I will not argue. I just don't understand.

Originally Posted by Speakeasy

Nothing is strange or sinister about it at all. It's a pretty straight forward answer to a pretty straight forward question.

It does a wonderful job of highlighting how ridiculous conspiracy theorists are, much better than just saying "you're anti-American".

Originally Posted by Tim

I prefer the latter.

Originally Posted by goober

Logically, there was a 20th hijacker, it probably wasn't this guy, but someone gamed out taking over airplanes with boxcutters and figured out that you needed 5 guys to make it work.
So someone missed the plane, chickened out, didn't feel good and took a sick day, or maybe never made it into the country, but they wouldn't use 5 man crews if four man crews worked just as well.

My opinion, it was a last minute no-show, because they waited on that plane and let it fly way past the logical takeover point, probably debating whether to go ahead with it or not, and when they went ahead with the plan, it didn't work, they were a man shy, what more evidence that 4 man crews don't work could you ask for.