The fact of the matter is that, prior to 9/11, nobody would've thought that a few guys armed with box cutters would be much of a threat. I would be surprised if too many people really ever considered the possibility that a few guys, armed with box cutters, could fly airliners into buildings.

I've no doubt that, had the hijackers annouced their intentions, that the threats would've been quelled. Ask yourself: If four or five guys, on a plane with 100 people on it, attempted to hijack a plane today, do you think people would sit idly by, or would they swarm and overcome the hijacker?

I truly believe it would be the latter.

My understanding of why #20 didn't make it is because a US Customs official wouldn't let him enter the country. I don't doubt that, had he made it onto one of those planes, he'd have taken part...

i see alot of angst over this and i am perplexed at the arguement that someone who thinks that 9/11 is an inside job is not anti american

you would have to feel america was pretty fucked up and bad place to actually believe that americans organized and executed a terrible deed like this , under the guise of winning an election and murdered that many people And that the rest of america the MAJORITY of america believes alqueda did this and doesnt see that it was an inside job. these people the conspiracy theorists would actually have to think the majority of americans are fucking morons to offer this arguement and think it is true ............ both of those would entail that nay conspiracist would totally think american is fucking terrible and beyond any redeeming qualities at all


ya i think it sums it up and i fear that there are alot who are in this catagory on this board cause since bush took office there are alot of people who have totally lost reason and can swallow that now america is satan and is a terrible place , yet 7 years ago it was peaches and cream perfect..............

Someone thought that a few guys with box cutters and some martial arts training could do this, and they recruited god knows how many into the plan and 19 showed up on game day.
I just wonder how they gamed it out, and what happened to the people who played the passengers and the crew in the mock up rehearsals.

I think the behavior of the hijackers on the plane with the 4 man crew argues that the fifth member was expected to show up at the airport and didn't.
I would bet he bailed, and that means everyone wants him. AQ wants him dead, because he knows too much, and the US wants him for the same reason, and nobody wants to give this guy a safe haven.

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Senator Thad Cochran, Mississippi (R)
on McCain

“I decided I didn’t want this guy anywhere near a trigger.”
Senator Pete Domenici, New Mexico (R)
on McCain

“My anger did not help my campaign ... People don’t like angry candidates very much.”

McCain on McCain

Well, not to endorse that conspiracy theory, which I don't believe -- but no, someone who thinks that 9/11 is an inside job would only have to be anti-Bush -- and that is emphatically NOT the same as being anti-American.

I don't believe in that conspiracy theory, but I do believe that Bush would be morally capable of it. I believe he would be morally capable of just about anything. I'm just not convinced that he DID it. What I AM convinced of, is that he used 9/11 for his own purposes, none of which are any good for this country.

And since Bush's purposes aren't good for America, arguably being anti-Bush is the same as being pro-American.

Nah, just Bush and his lackies.Well...aren't they?I disagree. Americans can still work with you/for you and, if you are focused enough, actually help you reach a point where you are wealthy. That is, if you can stand all of the bullshit laws and regulations restricting free trade in America.

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A federal judge ruled today that graphic pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison must be released over government claims that they could damage America's image.

Someone should tell them that bad press can be prevented by not abusing prisoners in the first place. Censorship is only needed to preserve the good reputation of those who have tortured and/or murdered already.

I agree with Speakeasy's earlier posts.... why is questioning 9/11 or wanting to dig deeper in 9/11 is instantly considered consipiracy theory by alot of Americans. This is a weakness or can be seen as a type of fear from the side of Americans, maybe they dont want to dig any deeper and discover something they are not prepared to know. Its become like a kneejerk reaction, as soon as anyone shows any form of disagreement or doubt with 9/11 he is instantly considered anti-american or a conspiracy theorist.... this is a problem, it is becoming like The Holocaust... exactly the same.... you ask questions about the Holocaust and you are anti-semitic.

But for alot of people in this world, they have doubts, and they want to satisfy themselves with as much research and questions as they please.

What you have to do is continue to debate and discuss and am sure out of every 9/11 discussion something new pops up.

And I thought alot of you here (Americans) brag on about freedom of expression, freedom! freedom! freedom!..... let people be free to think whatever the hell they want to think. Some people believe how the hell did a plane get to hit the pentagon... isnt that place meant to be the most protected place in the globe? You have to debate their views and you have no right to call them conspiracy theorist for having doubts especially if what they are raising makes sense.

Mossad and CIA have the best intelligence teams in the world.... they knew, I never believed something like this could slip up... they even said they been telling the president for ages somethin big is gona happen.... personally I believe 9/11 was allowed to happen.... for what was to come later..... CIA/Bush/the whole friggin Administration... knew, how can they not know....and were planning for the aftermath... "how can we make the most out of this".. dependin on their interests in the M/E, Israel, Oil, Power, ...etc.

They could have shot down that plane the min they found out its gone off its course and heading towards the pentagon or WTC ... do you really think the US Army and all its air power cant bring down a plane within 5mins of them making that decision? Please lets not be naive! If you really cared, would you save the lives of thousands at the expense of whatever that plane held from passengers?

All those phonecalls between the highjackers, the 5 years of planning, the aviation courses... all this slipped through?? what do you think the CIA and Mossad do all day, eat donuts?

What you have to think is that, the CIA and the Bush Administration lied about Saddam's WMDs and many parts of the Iraq War.... so why wouldnt you think they lied to you about part of 9/11? You have to also think they are lying to you now and they will continue lying to you in the future. CIA bosses resigning, FBI bosses resigning, ... Powell resigning... WTF is all this? So I have no doubt that the CIA and Mossad and other intelligence agencies knew about 9/11 way in advance. I think it was the french intelligence who also allerted the CIA about somethin fishy goin on and asked them to investigate it deeper.

Am I a conspiracy theorist for thinking this way? Absolutely not!.... I can think whatever the hell I want to think.... but if you call me a conspiracy theorist, . .. I win and you loose. If you call me anti-american... you are an even bigger looser than I thought.

WS.

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I have already covered both Pearl Harbor and the Gulf of Tonkin event at this forum.

If you do not know these FACTS by now, then you have never bothered to do any research and your opinion is worthless.

EVERYONE who has bothered to research either event knows that the Gulf of Tonkin was a lie and that FDR knew an attack was imminent and that he intentionally provoked the attack.

The ONLY people who do not know this, are the people who have not bothered to research these two events.

Period.

I will post my evidence for both in a new thread.

NEW THREAD IS HERE

Pearl Harbor and the Gulf of Tonkin

Ya know, this is what is wrong with this country. Our government, hand in hand with the establsihment, has lied countless times to the American people. They lied about the Gulf of Tonkin, they lied about Pearl Harbor, they lied about TWA 800 and the OKC bombing.

Standard Oil of New Jersey was totally responsible for NAZI Germany being able to wage war.

See...

http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/...cle=HitlerCh04

More sources available on request.

Our government still has classified documents on JFK.

Isn't it funny how so few Americans belive in conspiracies, yet according to every single poll ever taken in recent history, the majority of Americans belive the assasination of this country's president, JFK, was covered up.

Most Americans still remain suspicious of the lone gunman conclusion of the Warren Commission Report and skeptical that the truth will ever be learned. Only one in 10 Americans believes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. More than seven times as many think Oswald did not act alone.

The same large majority of Americans believes there was an official government cover-up. By 74 percent to 13 percent, the public thinks there was an official cover-up to keep the public from learning the truth about the assassination. [/i]

CBS POLL 1998

CBS Poll: JFK Conspiracy Lives, Only 10 Percent Believe Oswald Acted Alone - CBS News

ABC

Just 32 percent accept the Warren Commission's 1964 finding that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone when he shot Kennedy as his motorcade passed through downtown Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. Fifty-one percent think there was a second gunman, and seven percent go so far as to think Oswald wasn't involved at all.

Sixty-eight percent of Americans also think there was "an official cover-up" to hide the truth about the assassination from the public. And about as many, 65 percent, think that "important unanswered questions" remain, four decades after Kennedy's death.

While such suspicions are well-documented — and well-stoked by conspiracy theorists — for many people they're guesses, not convictions. In a new follow-up question, fewer than half of Americans, four in 10, say they're "pretty sure" there was a plot; another three in 10 say it's just a hunch. Similarly, half of those who suspect a second shooter say this, too, is just their hunch.

Trend

Suspicion has been long-running; as far back as 1966, a Harris poll found that 46 percent of Americans thought there was a "broader plot" in the assassination. This jumped to 60 percent in 1967, after New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison filed charges alleging a conspiracy (the man he charged, Clay Shaw, was acquitted in 1969).

ABCNEWS.com : Poll: Lingering Suspicion Over JFK Assassination

FOX NEWS

On the 40th anniversary of JFK’s assassination, a recent FOX News poll shows most Americans disagree with the government’s conclusions about the killing. The Warren Commission (search) found that Lee Harvey Oswald (search) acted alone when he shot Kennedy, but 66 percent of the public today think the assassination was “part of a larger conspiracy” while only 25 percent think it was the “act of one individual.” These new poll results are similar to previous surveys conducted by Louis Harris and Associates in 1967, 1975 and 1981, when about two-thirds also felt the shooting was part of a larger conspiracy.

FOXNews.com - Poll: Most Believe 'Cover-Up' of JFK Assassination Facts - Polls | AP Polls | Gallup Poll | Opinion Polls

People who claim it is unAmerican to question our government are the ones who are truly unAmerican.

It is our duty to question our government.

The government claimed that no one could imagine using airplanes as weapons, yet it is now known that exercises have been done using this exact scenario.

More lies. If you bother to watch ZEITGIEST, you will see many video clips which were only shown once on t.v. and some that were never shown on t.v.

While the movie has many inacuracies and is really rather pathetic, it is valuable for the collection of clips of information which need no commentary.

Many people claim they flet a large explosion before the first tower fell. A few people claim they felt a large explosion in the basement, right before the fist plane impacted the WTC tower. This is much like the OKC bombing, where several people claimed there was an explosion, before the one that blew out the windows and did most of the damage. These people are ignored by the media. Why?

There are still videotapes classified regarding the OKC bombing, why?

Like OKC, the debris was quickly hauled away and not allowed to be examined.

Why?

I could go on and on, but it is pointless, since most people here love having the establishment tell them what to think.

There are no words...

Let me also just clarify, that while I completely encourage people to do their own research concerning 9/11 and not just accept everything on it's face, I totally believe it was done by 19 terrorists hell bent on giving America a black eye.

It's similar to the Moon landing conspiracy theorists. In my research and learning about the Moon landing, I learned an incredible amount of detail about the Apollo missions. I think I respect what they did to get to the Moon even more so now after debating with Moon landing conspiracy theorists.

9/11 was a very historical day and if you're into history, learning every aspect of it and doing your own digging is well worth it.

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"Anyone that needs what they want, and doesn’t want what they need
I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics

Um, no, not at all. It's especially not protected from Airplanes. You do know that Reagan National Airport is right next door?
But, see, that's the problem. The vast amount of 9/11 doubters I've debated with don't make sense, because they are missing out on (or just ignoring) crucial information.
Well, that's something that would be impossible to prove either way. So, now all you've got is a hunch.
Um, no, they couldn't have. Our air defense was designed to deal with Cold War threats and was not designed to deal with targets flying over the United States. The last time previous to 9/11 that fighter jets had to scramble to intercept an errant plane, it took them nearly an hour and a half to even get to the plane.
...So, the fact that it happened is proof of a conspiracy in itself?
Absolutely you are. You are theorizing a conspiracy. Thus, you are a conspiracy theorist. It's not a bad word, it's simply an accurate description of someone who has a theory about an unproven conspiracy.
No, I wouldn't call you anti-American. Not doing any sort of research doesn't make one anti-American.

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"Anyone that needs what they want, and doesn’t want what they need
I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics

So you would advocate shooting down a plane the minute it goes off course? Would you not allow for a possibility other than the plane being hijacked?

Actually, no, the US Army can't...

Indeed.

The Army doesn't have fighters; they couldn't have shot down anything...

First, the American people are the victims, no one is blaming them for anything; so don't hide behind them.

If the Government is responsible for the 9/11 in some way, that's no "blaming Americans."

Second, was it "exonerating terrorists" when Abu Ghuraib photos showed up in the American media?

You don't take part in it if you don't want to; this is no serious lose. -- despite that I still would welcome your comments...

Third, Anti-American dogs have brought to light the torture centers in the 3rd world countries, the inhumane treatment of the prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan, Flying torture cells, spying on American people... etc.

I believe getting a driver licence renewed a little bit different from the Pentagon videos about such an important event.

Isn't it rational that people want to learn the truth behind one the biggest terrorrist attacks in history.

The problem is that conspiracy idiots won't believe any "truth" unless it backs up their belief that there was a conspiracy. You can give them proof to the nth degree but, if they believe there's been a conspiracy, they'll never, ever believe it...