The will of the people is negligible compared to the will of the special interests that drive our corporate fascist Government.

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I'm not sure what the point of this statement is or what led you to post it. Have I made any statements recently against democracy? And since we are on the subject, when was the last time Bush's popularity was above 50%?Well, I'd go farther and say that this is the cost of living in a democratic country populated primarily by idiots.Why should I be bitter about some asshole who lied to Americans, took their money and then used it for his re-election campaign, killing tens of thousands in the process? This is democracy we're talking about!

Seriously though, democracy is just a way of selecting a set of policies. It has very little to do with how just those policies are, which is what actually matters. If policies are just, I won't be one to whine about how terrible it is that I didn't get to select them. Democracy is a means to arrive at a good end, but a good end is not always the case. It is only a possibility. One that has not been reached in quite a while in America.0

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Little known fact #46: Every definition of a given word in a dictionary is used equally as often.

Little known fact #53: Your testicles serve only one purpose: to reproduce. Every other function is a complete accident.

Little known fact #65: Because the human body does not prepare for death, humans never die.

When was the last time we had an election?
Your judgment of who is an idiot or not is not one I trust.

Too bad for you that you are bitter.

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

Well, there you have it. It is actually an undemocratic feature of our government system that is keeping him in power right now. In a true democracy, we would vote on every issue separately and possibly all the time. I'm not saying this is necessarily good or bad, I am simply saying that what is keeping Bush in power right now is a move AWAY from democracy.I should just pretend that it is unthinkable to choose someone who is not a self-serving, malevolent asshole.

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Little known fact #46: Every definition of a given word in a dictionary is used equally as often.

Little known fact #53: Your testicles serve only one purpose: to reproduce. Every other function is a complete accident.

Little known fact #65: Because the human body does not prepare for death, humans never die.

What "will of the people"?

The will of the American people is very powerful. Many millions are spent every single day to manipulate our will.

So, what is the will of the people?

Seems to me it is to have a good income, either through working, illegal activities, government assistance, or almost any way possible. The will seems to be for many people to do just enough work to get by, while having a lot of fun, or just watching t.v.

MOST of the people I know want enough money to drive a decent car, to go on vacation at least once a year and to have money invested for retirement.

This is the "will of the people."

Not more than a couple people I know have researched any of the important topics, like Banking and money, Globalism, NAFTA and it's results, the coming social security/medicaid crisis, as well as many of the other topics I have mentioned at this forum.

If any thinking person adds up both private and public debt in the US and then looks to see how much that is per person, the future looks a little more realistic then the picture the establishment tends to present.

Of course I know I am preaching to the choir, as I know you are not in denial about any of these topics.

The things is, America has never been more divided. We have large percentages of our population black, latin-American and white. All three are not fond of each other. We have further divisions among class, religion, ethnicity, gender, political affiliations, age and whatever other divisions I am forgetting. All of these divisions keep us from agreeing on anything. From global warming, to drilling in Alaska, the American people can't agree on much.

We talk about things like Monica Lewinski and Elian Gonzalez. Not to mention sports, Survivor and American Idol, we are constantly distracted by trivial crap.

Divided and distracted, the powers that be have us right where they want us.

Time is running short for the "will of the people" to have any power. With the death of privacy, it might already be too late to stop globalism and the part of the US in it's birth.

Unless the will of the people changes, unless we start caring about the future generations of Americans, the future is not looking a little bleak.

If you are interested, which I hope you are, look up the members of the CFR and see how many of our most powerful leaders are members. I mean, just out of curiosity, it will only take you a few minutes. If I present the info, it won't have even close to the same impact that it will have if you find it.

I truly hope you will do this, as you seem more open minded than many people here.

How the Hell are we going to stop globalism? NWO is right around the corner and there is nothing short of a new dark age that will stop it.

"The will of the people" is a total lie. Mainly because too many Americans are to stupid or to busy to realize they are being spoon feed "their will" by those who scoop that spoonful of shit from a nice little partisan bowl of lies.

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I disagree with a great number of America's leaders at the moment, so I'm not sure how it is relevant. I did take a look, though. Are you saying Ron Paul is on the list?

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Little known fact #46: Every definition of a given word in a dictionary is used equally as often.

Little known fact #53: Your testicles serve only one purpose: to reproduce. Every other function is a complete accident.

Little known fact #65: Because the human body does not prepare for death, humans never die.

Where did you get that?

Ron Paul is not a member.

YouTube - Ron Paul answers question if he is a member of the CFR

You have to verify info. There is a lot of crap on the web. A lot of sloppy researchers.

How?

I said........

"With the death of privacy, it might already be too late to stop globalism and the part of the US in it's birth."

It would take the American people UNITED to solve our problems, IF it is even possible. So, anyone want to make odds on what it would take to UNITE the American people?

Well, your statement suggested that looking at the members would change my perspective greatly. As a Ron Paul supporter (or a supporter of his policies), finding him on the list might have that effect. Having looked, I failed to find him on the list, which is why I asked if that is perhaps what you meant and I failed to find him on the roster simply due to an error while searching.Then how is the roster relevant to this discussion?

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Little known fact #46: Every definition of a given word in a dictionary is used equally as often.

Little known fact #53: Your testicles serve only one purpose: to reproduce. Every other function is a complete accident.

Little known fact #65: Because the human body does not prepare for death, humans never die.

It's not going to happen, it's too late. Even if US citizens mended the great divide today - NWO is bigger for just the US to control now.

The best we can do a pick a side and ride it through. I believe the liberal road to NWO will take longer, will be much less aggressive, involve negotiation, be more compassionate and spare the Constitution through our lifetime maybe. The Conservative road will be fast tracked and war based, very much like Europe in the Early 40's.

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I thought we were discussing if the US will leave Iraq.

This is considered Foreign Policy.

In the 1950's, Congress created a committee to investigate the foundations and their influence on government. While the final report was pretty much a whitewash, there were some tidbits that were admitted. The key though is that the CFR was barely mentioned.

The chief council for the investigation was named Rene Wormser and he wrote a book after the conclusion of the committee. In his book he said........

[i]"The Council on Foreign Relations, another member of the international complex, financed by the Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations, overwhelmingly propagandizes the globalist concept. This organization became virtually an agency of the government when World War II broke out. The Rockefeller Foundation had started and financed certain studies known as The War and Peace Studies, manned largely by associates of the Council; the State Department, in due course, took these Studies over, retaining the major personnel which the Council on Foreign Relations had supplied." --Rene A. Wormser, Chief Counsel to the Reece Committee

In his book Wormser listed, among the major instruments of these foundations, the CFR, United Nations Association, Foreign Policy Association and Institute of Pacific Relations. From pg 200-201 of "Foundations...": (remember, this was 1953)


"It would be difficult to find a single foundation-supported organization of any substance which has not favored the U.N. or similar global schemes; fantastically heavy foreign aid at the burdensome expense of the taxpayer; meddling in the colonial affairs of other nations; and American military commitments over the globe. This was comparatively easy to accomplish because there was no organized or foundation-supported opposition. The influence of the foundation complex in internationalism has reached far into government, policy-making circles of Congress, and State Department". Pg 200-01

and from the final report,

"Foundation activity has nowhere had a greater impact than in the field of foreign affairs. It has conquered public opinion and has largely established the international-political goals of our country". [He goes on to list some of the "major instruments" as the CFR, Foreign Policy Association, Institute of Pacific Relations and United Nations Association] pg 200. The far-reaching power of the large foundations and of the interlock, has so influenced the press, the radio, and even the government that it has become extremely difficult for objective criticism of foundation practices to get into news channels without having first been distorted, slanted, discredited and at times ridiculed."

U.S. Gov Printing Office, 1954- Findings of Fact and Supporting Material - U.S. House Special Committee to Investigate Tax-Exempt Foundations [Reece Investigations] page 17

America's SHADOW Government

So, the CFR is mentioned, but only as one of several "instruments."

Norman Dodd, the chief investigator for the committee backed up what Wormser was saying much later testimony in 1979 and an interview a few years later.

There is more info backing up these claims by people like Georgetown professor Carrol Quigley and others, like Rear Admiral Chester Ward.

Now, what are the chances that Congress appointed to whackos to head their investigation of foundations?

Is there any other evidence to back up what they have told us?

The last quote is UNVERIFIED, but I believe it is likely accurate so I will use it. I have not seen this quote before and need to further research McNeice, but for the moment I will post it as LIKELY authentic.

In the Reece Committee Staff Report on Relations Between Foundations and Education, Assistant Research Director, Thomas M. McNiece wrote:

What this investigation does seem to indicate is that many small grants have found their way into questionable hands and many large ones...have been devoted to purposes that are promoting a departure from the fundamental concepts of education and government under our Constitution... This is indicated by the frequent references in their own literature to the 'age of transition' through which we are passing, and the responsibility that must be assumed by educators in leading the way. (Thomas M. McNiece, "The Reece Committee Staff on Relations Between Foundations and Education", The Freemen Digest, p.12.)

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WOW, I just found this TIME article from 1954 on McNeice testifying and being interrupted by Hayes from Ohio. Of course the article left out most of the details, but it is just more proof how the media is controlled. They somehow left out the fact that Hayes interrupted a single witness
The Lesson - TIME

Now, let's look at what really happened.........

Rep. Wayne Hays of Ohio worked from the inside to stall the investigation. During one 3-hour session, he interrupted the same witness 246 times. He prohibited evidence discovered by two of its investigators from being used. Rene A. Wormser, legal counsel to the Committee, revealed why, in his 1958 book Foundations: Their Power and Influence:

"Mr. Hays told us one day that 'the White House' had been in touch with him and asked him if he would cooperate to kill the Committee."

http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/...=FinalWarn02-5

All of this info can be easily verified, except the one single quote I listed as unverified. I will continue to try to verify that one quote, but it is not even necessary to see this part of the puzzle.

In my opinion, the Reece committee is one of the keys to understanding what is going on in this country and why.

If you look at ALL the evidence, the picture becomes crystal clear......

Our elected officials do not make foreign policy.

Funny. Your post reminded me of the title to piece by CFR spokesperson Richard Gardner.

This is what kills me about the American people. There is all of this evidence from well respected people about the CFR AND IN ADDITION WE HAVE ADMISSION from CFR spokespeople like Richard Gardner.

In his piece, The Hard Road to World Order
Richard Gardner stated.......

In short, the "house of world order" will have to be built from
the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like
a great "booming, buzzing confusion," to use William James'
famous description of reality, but an end run around national
sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much
more than the old-fashioned frontal assault.

An end run around National Sovereignty. NAFTA, GATT, WHO, KYOTO, as well as the hundreds of treaties like MAB, Agenda 21, World Heritage, as well as the infamous LAW OF THE SEA Treaty, are all part of erosion.

I have so little faith left in the political process, especially voting, I am worried you might be right and it is too late to stop globalism.

I can only hope that you might be wrong.

It's hard to tell if Bush wanted to really keep troops in Iraq for a long time or not. It's like the whole project got bigger than anyone anticipated and now McCain the other day talked about "our troops being over there isn't the problem, it's the casualties", so he's making it seem like America will simply have troops there through the ages like in Germany, Japan and Korea.

Can't we all just admit that this is about the best it's going to get, military speaking, in Iraq? About two dozen soldiers are getting killed per month over like the last 5 or 6 months now. It's not acceptable to me, but isn't that good enough to start bringing people home? If you're cynical, you can see that Bush is stuck there because it's a business investment. You can't bring the contractors home because then the Iraqis will be in control of their oil again. And if we stop paying the militias that are controlling the cities and different provinces, than maybe there really will be a blood bath.

Getting out might leave things exactly where they are now, which is the best it's going to get, or it might mean that everything goes back to shit again. That's the elephant in the room that Bush doesn't have the balls to confront or take responsibility for, and the task is going to be left to the next guy, who will get a good deal of the blame if things get worse.

I say bring 'em home. Iraqis need to determine their own future now. In the end, it's up to them.