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nowhere......except they will have gained more time.....which is their goal.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)

What's happened to Bush anyway? He should know it is not possible to negotiate with terrorists. Just like Chamberlain, I can now see him coming back from a trip to Iran, waving a sheet of paper, and proclaiming "peace in our time".

It's enough to make a True American's (tm) stomach turn.

Why are the Iranians "terrorists"?? Do you feel terrorised by them? Did they launch a war on any country and killed 1000s of civilians? Did they invade anybody? Please, bullshit coming from a brainwashed American is strictly unacceptable in this forum

They have not behaved in anyway to suggest they are "terrorists". Just because they chose not to bend over for America does not make them "terrorists". Ok? We agree? Good!!

WS.

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Well - either the administration is listening to someone that knows what they are talking about - and adopting Obama's foreign policy plan to participate with efforts directed towards negotiating a nuclear solution in Iran OR preparations to bomb Iran are currently underway. I have heard this President enough times that I can predict his speech after these talks fail.

"We tried everything in our power to help Iran do the right thing - and they didn't listen. We have no choice but to act on behalf of and for the safety of the world. At this very moment coalition forces are .......bla bla bla..."


only a few months left -

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The last few days have been among the most exciting to witness in politics and world affairs in some time.

I can only marvel at the backroom dealings going on between Iran, Iraq and the US.

In just a few days, this all went down:

1) the Surge ends. The last of 5 brigades leaves. Now we're in a 45-day post-surge evaluation. If things stay the way they are, Patreus is going to recommend that more brigades come home.

2) It's revealed that Maliki wants a timetable for withdrawal, that Bush wants to call it something different but agrees.

3) the Sunnis end their stubbornness and return to the Iraqi cabinet.

4) Bush reverses all of his previous statements by beginning aggressive diplomacy with Iran.


What's going on is that the war is beginning to end. It's fragile; it's not the kind of victory people think of since most people get ideas of victory from movies, but like I've said, things in Iraq now are the best they're going to get while America is there.

Iran and America just went from beating their chests to talking.

It all just seemed to have happened overnight, but I think the al-Maliki gov't is coming up the middle between Iran and the US and actually trying to settle both sides down. Maliki can turn to Iran, and from one Shia to another, pledge that he can help get America off their backs. And then he can turn to America and say, "If you don't leave, I lose next year, who knows what they'll vote for, and you'll be screwed."

I wonder if Maliki wasn't a little bit to Bush what Kissinger was to Nixon: a conscience. A little creature on his shoulder reminding him what it could mean in the history books if winning in Iraq and signing off on the endgame before the next President can claim this as his own.

Who knows? But what's for sure is that the tone from the White House has completely changed. The deal between Iraq and the US is going public. But like most every other issue, Bush is always behind it. That Maliki interview that got out on Saturday where he said that he supported Obama's timetable for withdrawal, one day after McCain said "We've succeeded in Iraq", I think, was supposed to coincide with the White House coming out and verifying all of this and finally declaring that as things progress now in Iraq, that the focus will begin to shift back to Afghanistan again.

It's where things are actually going, but look at the White House. Those inhabitants are a fascinating study in what happens when you block yourself off from everyone else and live in a bubble of your own making. Bush can no longer pretend that it will be forever in Iraq, since he's the one cutting the deal to get out. Or perhaps, just maybe, Bush is humbled by how difficult this whole mess actually got, and doesn't want to "pre-emptively pre-emptive" anything this time.

Wrong. The United States always has a choice. That's because we have the most devastating military power in the world, and the other nations understand that. Iran will eventually give up its' nuclear bomb research and hopes to build one because the big dog won't allow it. GW Bush has made it quite clear that it won't happen, and you can go to the bank on Bush's word about that.

I would advice the US to use brain instead of muscles. Its the way forward.

Blind patriotism is not appreciated in this forum.

Also its rreally intelligent of you to take ideas from another intelligent person, Bush.

WS.

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BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Brown issues Iran nuclear warning

And our very own Gordon Brown made the Israelis horny today at the Knesset when he issued another warning to Iran about its nuclear ambitions. *claps* I can imagine the Americans saying "thank you Mr Brown, but please leave Iran to us, you focus on getting the UK economy out of the mud".

Whats the point coming up with sht like that when your American friends are seeing some progress. Iran will not change their position regarding this issue.... they made that clear many times.... so I think he justs wants to let the Israelis know we are still your friends...or..its fashionable these days to tell the Israelis what they want to hear. Obama did that the other day.

Empty warnings from a prime minister who really should be thinking of how to get the UK out of recession.

WS.

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Iran has the right to defend itself.

With all that has gone on in Iran’s neighboring country being ruthless and beastly, and terroristic attacks on Iraqi people, economy and infrastructure, which was instigated and “engineered by the Israelis” find a nation anywhere on the globe more deserving of the most effective weapons available.

Whether these weapon act as a deterrent, or for counter attack the nation of Iran has the God given right to defend itself! Who in the world do these Israeli’s think they are? They hijack the American military and use American resources for the destruction and occupation of Iraq, and they try and tell Iran they can’t enrich uranium.

This attitude has far reaching implications for right here in American, and they are also trying to disarm Americans and destroy the 2nd Amendment as well as the Constitution. The large banks are going into poor area’s buying guns from people who have fallen prey to the politically engineered tactics of the “operation erase lower and middle class”.

The so-called Federal Reserve is the label placed on the wicked and greedy international Jewish bankers. This is how they have the leverage to hijack our military, bankrupt our economy and then have the nerve to use any revenue to might be left to bail out Bear Stearns and others.

Iran is one of the few large countries in the world without a central bank, and it’s the Israelis that are so eager to start another war. They get rich off of war, and other people’s money and blood. 9-11 was their false flag operation that has been used to strip Americans of our rights, got us into two wars and has looted our treasury of trillions.

They did it to Russia with the Bolshevik revolution, and brought in Communist from “New York City”, which is the largest population of these people outside the nation of Israel/Edom. Remember the Soviet Union and all the spying on citizens that was part of what the Jews brought to Russia. Stalin himself was a Jew.

Connect the Dots... is the so-called department of Homeland Security with the hijacking of the NSA is this not the American version of the Soviet Union? Far too many people are being bribed by these people’s fiat money that by the way is “not any longer backed by gold”. Their inflation has robbed every single American for centuries, and what this nation could have been like without their inflation illustrates the pure evil of their depraved methods one being "Usury".

A lie can never become truth, and again paper money will become worthless. Due to inflation the cost of manufacturing without slave labor has placed the economy of Communist China above our own, and Communist methods above our own. They are defining what America is; and America is losing its identity. Those who are informed and think the Israelis are friends of America or any other country must be certifiably insane.

Sure, screw any treaty. They are irrelevant.

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What a Big shame, its bad news for the Millions of victims of the United states.

I really hope the Bush administration carries out one task that i would fully support, i.e war with Iran.

I would love to see how the war turns out after tens of thousands of US forces are wiped out, this war could eventually ensure that China becomes the worlds number one super power, i know the rest of the world would love to see the back of the US and hail China as the new Superpower.

An article in the Washington post today, they appear to be looking at all the angles and have, serious questions as to Obamas overall understanding of the war, where we are and where we are going...........refreshing.


Mr. Obama in Iraq
Did he really find support for his withdrawal plan?

Wednesday, July 23, 2008; Page A14

THE INITIAL MEDIA coverage of Barack Obama's visit to Iraq suggested that the Democratic candidate found agreement with his plan to withdraw all U.S. combat forces on a 16-month timetable. So it seems worthwhile to point out that, by Mr. Obama's own account, neither U.S. commanders nor Iraq's principal political leaders actually support his strategy.

Gen. David H. Petraeus, the architect of the dramatic turnaround in U.S. fortunes, "does not want a timetable," Mr. Obama reported with welcome candor during a news conference yesterday. In an interview with ABC, he explained that "there are deep concerns about . . . a timetable that doesn't take into account what [American commanders] anticipate might be some sort of change in conditions."

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who has a history of tailoring his public statements for political purposes, made headlines by saying he would support a withdrawal of American forces by 2010. But an Iraqi government statement made clear that Mr. Maliki's timetable would extend at least seven months beyond Mr. Obama's. More significant, it would be "a timetable which Iraqis set" -- not the Washington-imposed schedule that Mr. Obama has in mind. It would also be conditioned on the readiness of Iraqi forces, the same linkage that Gen. Petraeus seeks. As Mr. Obama put it, Mr. Maliki "wants some flexibility in terms of how that's carried out.

Other Iraqi leaders were more directly critical. As Mr. Obama acknowledged, Sunni leaders in Anbar province told him that American troops are essential to maintaining the peace among Iraq's rival sects and said they were worried about a rapid drawdown.

Mr. Obama's response is that, as president, he would have to weigh Iraq's needs against those of Afghanistan and the U.S. economy. He says that because Iraq is "a distraction" from more important problems, U.S. resources devoted to it must be curtailed. Yet he also says his aim is to "succeed in leaving Iraq to a sovereign government that can take responsibility for its own future." What if Gen. Petraeus and Iraqi leaders are right that this goal is not consistent with a 16-month timetable? Will Iraq be written off because Mr. Obama does not consider it important enough -- or will the strategy be altered?

Arguably, Mr. Obama has given himself the flexibility to adopt either course. Yesterday he denied being "so rigid and stubborn that I ignore anything that happens during the course of the 16 months," though this would be more reassuring if Mr. Obama were not rigidly and stubbornly maintaining his opposition to the successful "surge" of the past 16 months. He also pointed out that he had "deliberately avoided providing a particular number" for the residual force of Americans he says would be left behind.

Yet Mr. Obama's account of his strategic vision remains eccentric. He insists that Afghanistan is "the central front" for the United States, along with the border areas of Pakistan. But there are no known al-Qaeda bases in Afghanistan, and any additional U.S. forces sent there would not be able to operate in the Pakistani territories where Osama bin Laden is headquartered. While the United States has an interest in preventing the resurgence of the Afghan Taliban, the country's strategic importance pales beside that of Iraq, which lies at the geopolitical center of the Middle East and contains some of the world's largest oil reserves. If Mr. Obama's antiwar stance has blinded him to those realities, that could prove far more debilitating to him as president than any particular timetable.

washingtonpost.com

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)

But then again ...

McCain's Foreign Policy Frustration - TIME

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Exposing the dark side.

It's great to see a start to US diplomatic relations with Iran after 30 years of nothing at all.

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition