Your writing style doesn't support your claim to be an American.

What part of the US are you from?

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Medvedev gave the order to halt: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/wo...pe&oref=slogin

I'm surprised to learn that Russia had not pushed Georgian troops out of the Kodori Gorge in Abkhazia yet; though according to the Times Russia is encircling several areas in Georgia, such as the port of Poti to the town of Zugdidi all the way to Kareli, not very far west of Gori. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...eorgia9847.jpg We'll see what happens.

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Each man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in Mankind.
And therefore, never send to know
For whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
—John Donne

Are you sure about that?

Georgia: Attacks continuing despite Russia halt claim - CNN.com

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/wo...hp&oref=slogin

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In general, my last opinion - if SOLDIERS (in the plural) throw grenades into basements where hidden from NIH WOMEN AND CHILDREN - government, which pays such orders must be to convey to the court, together with those SOLDIERS. And if nobody decided to do this - we will do it. Because sitting in basements OUR citizens. When I say we - I am talking about PEOPLE rather than Medvedev in the first place.
Sorry, I see no point in talking further to forgive

Even with the announcement, it takes awhile for these things to wind down. We should know, hopefully within the next 24 hours, whether the cease-fire holds.

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Russia will not be troubled by the West as long as it leaves that pipeline alone.

If it takes it over or installs a puppet regime and thereby puts it under its control then we'll have a problem.

The Russians on this board are not very good at answering questions, but lets give it a try.

1/ If all this is such a surprise to Russians, why have the Russians been upgrading the rail links into Abhkazia and South Ossetia for months before this conflict?

2/ Why does the Russian National Youth Movement called 'Nashi' organise parades with make ups of Saaskasvili dressed as a prostitute stuffed with US dollar bills?

3/ Where is the evidence of genocide that Russians claim to have happened? surely you can to do better than reports from supposedly crying and upset women? Where are the sattelite photos?

4/ Where was the concern for human life when these South Ossetian rebels were shelling Georgia or making raids into its territory for the last few months? In fact what do the Russians here think made Georgia move into SO in the first place?

If you wish to defend your country then please do so.

What makes you think any of this actually happened?

Unlike the Americans in Kosovo, Caucasian Russians, Ossetians and Georgians have tens of thousands relatives permanently living in Moscow and other central cities of Russia. These relatives have cell phones. The ordinary people have better perspective onto real situation then officials have balls to open. You must understand. The Caucasus is the region where blood revenge is typical habit. The escalation of uncontrolled videos and reports can cause the Lynch courts, for instance Army narrowly managed to rescue the group of Georgian sappers from the citizens of ruined Tskhinvali.
You think it's all kidding? Kill the child of some Caucasian and he get you even in America.
The issues are being currently collected and documented. Dick Cheney of course would have painted pics in few hours, just to satisfy forum boards. But Russia doesn't want to make him company. It's doing of honour now. The main problem now is cowardous behavour of western UN observers. They have shitted their pants and instead of rolling all over the region and interview the people, huddled like sheeps in safest point together. Perhaps they are ordered from western governments NOT TO DOCUMENT as much as possible, to attack Russian crime documents later and help Georgian government to pass through the future trial.

Our military experts are not bogged in Afganistan and Iraq. There were no great problem to collect full picture of Georgian preparation. Praemonitus praemunitus, if I spelled that right. These greedy cowards of puppet Georgian regime - do you really think, that if America can bribe them, nobody else can bribe them? I'm sure the information about future butcher was sold for less then couple thousands bucks, no more, with some guy like ex DM Okruashvili. Bloody clowns, not laughable unfortunately.
Georgia is highly tied economically and historically with Russia, at the same moment politically carried on the sheer anti-Russian policy. Youths and people on average are highly concerned with politics now, much more then Europeans and Americans.
We are not CNN, we don't paint the bodies in cozy studios and stamp them in Photoshop right up to the morning release. We collect ALL REAL SHIT, be sure. I think, it'll takes a month in the least.
Not small clashes, surely, I even don't need to point on the lack of proves about offencive raids and shelling from the Ossetian side.
After de-facto independent Kosovo got it's de-jure status and full economical support from the EU, Russia opened the economical relations with Abkhasia. This raged poor Saakashvili, as well as raged Serbs few months ago. Do you remember they attacked US embassy in Belgrade? Unfortunately Saakashvily has chosen to clean up HIS land from unloyal folk.

Abhkazia is beginning an operation to push Georgian troops out of the Kodori Gorge, with Russian troops supposedly sitting this one out. Perhaps reports of Russians encircling Poti and Zugdidi and Kareli are illustrative of their efforts to cut off any help to the Georgian troops in Abkhazia without providing direct support? Kicking the Georgian military out of Senaki would help that objective too; Senaki does appear much closer to Abkhazia than it does South Ossetia.

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Each man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in Mankind.
And therefore, never send to know
For whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
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We sometimes tell the country that average Americans, simply are prikormlennymi poglazhennymi and heads of government and their pets from infancy to death trying to kontrollirovat, giving everything they have on the media and showing what should be the government. In other words, that average Americans are accustomed to talk tupovaty and strangers views, and by definition can not have an opinion. I laugh at this joke. Read the text, translated into Russian (see link), I was horrified. The difference was horrified, easily traced, depending on the Registration - nationality. We are called, pardon, "PIZDETS." They REALNO TUPYE! "Kindergarten" Camomile "Chorus"-Zaychiki Boys ", the guys who go to war with neighboring groups, with nurseries. You read the words! Yes, I am 8 years old did not allow such a thought! AND YOU (averaged in this forum by 80% adequate contingent) calls itself a TSIVILIZOVANNYMI OTSTALYMI us? Congratulations, you - weak link. you - zombies. Did you forget about freedom, mental, moral, the very notion of LIFE. A week later, on weekends, I sit with a friend and a pair of girls at the UAZ 4h4 from 3 - x augmented liter engine, the wheels of a tractor 33.6 inches in diameter, the Russian military bridges and an hour will be in the woods, and know that at 50 kilometers around me maximum of 2-3 persons. I would bathe in mountain river , Will trahat girlfriend, will drink beer, which you never drank - cold at 40 degrees heat. I come to work normally, with fresh head, reread truly independent news resources (not such as CNN and not on any American). I Again know - Americans made blunt and Compliance herd, europe at the top is on this path, freaks-fascists continue to kill women and children, and only we can understand that both live and not have to defend at all costs - primarily THEMSELVES. Guys. Lovely. Hrabrye. Otvazhnye. You need something to change that. I was not waiting. Do not tolerate.
And now answer - you believe that I am an ordinary citizen living in underdeveloped even by the standards of Russia region, which earns a living repairing computers in a small town by the sea and my income over the past six months less than $ 200 a month? In doing so, to me wife, 4 - x year old daughter. Assists mother. The father drinks. I can not fight, fight, shoot. I just Chin and sometimes write computer programs, making sites. But I feel able to go if necessary to defend its borders, easy go, and do what I can. Because I have freedom in the heart, and it does not take away, and their way of life, I do not ever change in the herd. I myself do its findings, to decide what to believe and what not. And on what basis to draw conclusions. I think none of you will not understand me. A spit me - I live, and I will live. And I believe me better than many of you.
Now on this forum. Most people here, as I said - attributable, not because the link at the top. Thank you, молодцы, albeit often at variance with the views of my own. But you hear only their own media. Listen to them further. And look at the headlines "attacks Russia to Georgia, where Georgian GRADY show. And you know what GRAD? The system, which covers fire square kilometers. Peace city. Sequentially, quarter over quarter. In the dust to make everything in its path. This is genocide - and nobody me in this not convince. It is a pity that such a friendly, gostepreimny, good people fall into the hands of fascists, led to nitochke as a puppet. Georgians - I love you. But you "Pizdets" - those people will be in the hands of machine outside YOUR country. Amen.
ZY: Freelancers very poorly translated from Russian into English, so I write both options. If anyone can - translate artistically, and place below. Thank you.
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У нас в стране иногда рассказывают о том, что средние американцы, простите, являются прикормленными и поглаженными по головками правительством домашними животными и их от младенчества до смерти пытаются контроллировать, давая все, что им надо и показывая по СМИ то, что надо правительству. Другими словами, что средние американцы туповаты и приучены разговаривать чужими мнениями, и по определению не могут иметь своего мнения. Я смеялся над этой шуткой. Прочтя текст, переведенный на русский язык (смотри ссылку) я ужаснулся. Ужаснулся разнице, легко прослеживаемой в зависимости от приписки - национальности. У нас это называют, пардон, "ПИЗДЕЦ". Они РЕАЛЬНО ТУПЫЕ! "Детский сад "Ромашка", Хор "Мальчики-Зайчики", ребята, которые воюют с соседними группами с яслях. Вы почитайте высказывания! Да я с 8 лет не позволял себе такие мысли! И ВЫ (усредняю, на этом форуме на 80% адекватный контингент) называете себя ЦИВИЛИЗОВАННЫМИ а нас ОТСТАЛЫМИ? Поздравляю, вы - слабое звено. Вы - зомби. Вы забыли о свободе, душевной, моральной, о самом понятии ЖИЗНЬ. Через неделю, на выходных, я сяду с другом и парой девчонок на УАЗ 4х4 с 3-х литровым форсированным двигателем, колесами от трактора 33,6 дюйма в диаметре, русскими военными мостами и через час буду в лесу, и буду знать, что на 50 километров вокруг меня максимум 2-3 человека. Буду купаться в горной реке, буду трахать подругу, будем пить пиво, которое вы никогда не пили - холодным при 40 градусов жаре. И приеду на работу нормальным, со свежей головой, перечитаю новости на действительно независимых ресурсах (не таких как CNN и по любому не американских). И опять пойму - американцев сделали тупым и податливым стадом, европа в верхах идет по этому пути, маньяки-фашисты по прежнему убивают женщин и детей и только мы способны понять, что так жить нельзя и любой ценой надо защитить - в первую очередь СЕБЯ. Ребята. Милые. Храбрые. Отважные. Вам надо что то менять. И время не ждет. Не терпит.
А теперь ответьте - вы верите, что я обычный гражданин, живущий в слаборазвитом даже по меркам России регионе, который зарабатывает себе на жизнь ремонтом компьютеров в маленьком городке у моря и мои доходы за последние полгода менее 200$ в месяц? При этом на мне жена, 4-х летняя дочь. Помогает мать. Отец пьет. Я не умею воевать, драться, стрелять. Я просто чиню компьютеры и иногда пишу программы, делаю сайты. Но я считаю себя способным при необходимости пойти защищать свои границы, пойду легко, и сделаю то, на что я способен. Потому что у меня свобода в сердце, и этого не отнять, и свой образ жизни я не поменяю никогда на стадо. Я сам делаю свои выводы, сам решаю, чему верить а чему нет. И на основании чего делать выводы. Думаю, никто из вас меня не поймет. А мне плевать - я живу, и буду жить. И я считаю, мне лучше чем многим из вас.
Теперь об этом форуме. Большинство людей здесь, как я уже сказал - вменяемые, не так как в ссылке вверху. Спасибо, молодцы, хоть и мнения часто расходятся с моими. Однако вы слышите только свои СМИ. Слушайте их дальше. И смотрите на заголовки "Россия атакует Грузию", когда показывают грузинские ГРАДЫ. А вы знате что такое ГРАД? Система, покрывающая огнем квадратные километры. Мирного города. Последовательно, квартал за кварталом. Превращающая в пыль все на своем пути. Это геноцид - и никто меня в этом не переубедит. И весьма жаль что такой дружный, гостепреимный, хороший народ попал в руки фашиста, ведомого на ниточке как марионетка. Грузины - я вас люблю. Но вам "Пиздец" - тем, у кого в руках будет автомат за пределами ВАШЕЙ страны. Аминь.
ЗЫ: Переводчики очень плохо переводят с русского на английский, поэтому я напишу оба варианта. Если кто сможет - переведите художественно, и разместите ниже. Спасибо.
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Believe me, not you, American journalists.

im drink beer. Live beer, whithout himically ingridients. Let us drink to the world!

If it will take that long to put together evidence of genocide, then why are you speaking about it now as if it were fact? What sort of evidence has convinced you?

That same lack of proof of genocide has apparently not stopped you from reaching conclusions about its truth, though.

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No man is an island...
Each man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in Mankind.
And therefore, never send to know
For whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
—John Donne

Keep in mind, this conflict was going to last just as long as the Russian decide it will.

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