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Old 08-13-2008
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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I don't see a problem with that. It happens all the time. However it appears that the Georgians are the ones who actually fired the first shot.
What makes you think that Georgia attacked Russia first?

Frankly your assertion sounds a bit insane. I seriously doubt that Georgia attacked Russia. That would be suicide.
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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Yes, we know that they were. Links have been posted many times'

Here's one.

OSSETIAN SEPARATISTS ARE PROVOKING A MAJOR RUSSIAN INTERVENTION - Eurasia Daily Monitor
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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Yes, we know that they were. Links have been posted many times'

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OSSETIAN SEPARATISTS ARE PROVOKING A MAJOR RUSSIAN INTERVENTION - Eurasia Daily Monitor
Cool. The 30,000 people decided to sacrifice few thousands lives, dozen of villages and their capital city just to inflict the Russian militaries get presence on their land. If two thousands have died, this mean every 15th got killed, I suppose every 3th lost his home and property.
Go on with genious plan of Ossetians. I'm sure such mean coward like you would have surrendered his motherland to the enemy under the danger that his car could get scratched.
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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What makes you think that Georgia attacked Russia first?

Frankly your assertion sounds a bit insane. I seriously doubt that Georgia attacked Russia. That would be suicide.
Welcome to the policies of caucasian idiots.

Anyway I call deadly artillery strikes on Russian "Peacekeepers" a stupid Georgian gamble and when it comes down to it, nothing else than an attack on Russia.
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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Does it really matters?

There are really simple truths in life/realpolitics and that is just one of 'em; one ( as a smaller country) doesn't launch an offensive attack, which leaves 13 Russian "Peacekeepers" dead, many others wounded and let the rest of world watch you doing it by your artillery strikes.

Doing so is just plain and simple stupid and as I have no love to share for stupid people, at least for me the case is closed.
I agree, very stupid for Georgia, and Russia gets nice political victory handed to them. The only thing I'm left to wonder about is if Georgia received any encouragement from the US.
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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What makes you think that Georgia attacked Russia first?

Frankly your assertion sounds a bit insane. I seriously doubt that Georgia attacked Russia. That would be suicide.
The american medics can check the bodies of Russian peacekeepers and much more civil people with Russian citizenship and certainly learn the time of death, then compare it with time of death of any Georgian casualties. I think, medically there is no problem. If any bastard killed American citizen anythere, there is no doubt the US Army would ground his lair and get him to hang. The killing of Russian citizens is equal to the assault on Russia.
Any country supporting and cheering the regime which has fresh blood of our people on it's hands will be treated symmetricaly. Eye for eye - we MUST support anyone who wants to kill citizens of that country. That will be just.
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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I agree, very stupid for Georgia, and Russia gets nice political victory handed to them. The only thing I'm left to wonder about is if Georgia received any encouragement from the US.
Honestly I don't see any encouragement from the US other than the offered one day possibility of NATO-membership and assistance/reward for "helping" in Iraq.

No matter how hard some may push, at the end of it, Georgia is just a little country at the end of nowhere, with a rather poor (but democratic) government (btw why does it matter anyway?) and so there is no big "scandal" to discover.

Some people blame big oil interests to be at the heart of it, but as BP, the somewhat owner of the pipeline already confirmed, its pipeline wasn't hit by the Russians and was already hurt by threats from Kurdish rebels before.

If the Russians were up to controlling all of the oil flow, they would invade one of the Caspian sea states, instead of Georgia, which is only a host for a pipeline.

Anyway for me it all comes down towards bad/stupid local politics based on the hope that someone else would really care about it.

At least I don't do them the favour and for me they still have a long way to go before I believe they are worth to be a NATO member and thus tie my own security to their interests.
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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No matter how hard some may push, at the end of it, Georgia is just a little country at the end of nowhere, with a rather poor (but democratic) government (btw why does it matter anyway?) and so there is no big "scandal" to discover.
Average salary in Georgia is 50$ per month, average pension is 7$. Military spendings in budget are over 70%. Do you really think that this nation can carry democracy?

Or is it just USA named them a democracy?
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

What does military spending have to do with whether a nation is a democracy or not?
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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Average salary in Georgia is 50$ per month, average pension is 7$. Military spendings in budget are over 70%. Do you really think that this nation can carry democracy?

Or is it just USA named them a democracy?
I think it's not up to me and you to judge/tell the Georgians on what they should spend their taxpayers money one.(btw who says your numbers are correct?)

Apart from that, it's also not up to a Georgian retard to force "de facto" independent/Russian areas ( S-Ossetia/Abshasia) (forgot the spelling) into his area again.

Anyway you pretend to be Russian, so why you are so surprised about the illogical behaviour of the caucasian "blacks"?
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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What does military spending have to do with whether a nation is a democracy or not?
Nothing, just as a country being a democracy doesn't mean it acts logical and "good". It seems like a strawman argument and at the end doesn't really matter (at least imho).
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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I just read two news,but i don't know who is right.turn on the TV,people are celebrating Olypic games,no war.
one news said the Russian troops had entered and control Tbilisi
another news said the Georgia troops shot 5 Russian jet plane down.
what's the latest news?
its their war not ours.
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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What makes you think that Georgia attacked Russia first?

Frankly your assertion sounds a bit insane. I seriously doubt that Georgia attacked Russia. That would be suicide.
I think he means that they attacked separatists in South Ossetia, which appears to be true. It strikes me as a bit similar to the deliberate provocations made by the KLA in Kosovo against the Serbs with the belief that the West would cover their ass if things went bad. I hope that is not what happened here.
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

I think that democracy is just impossible in the country with average salary 50 bucks per month. It is just impossible.
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

We did it.

Prosperity is impossible without democracy, or at least economic freedom, which is rare without democracy.

Russia is at best a middle-income country, as is China. Don't expect either of those countries to ever rise to First World status with their current governments. Especially given Russia's total disregard for the rule of law within its borders. China at least seems to leave business alone. Putin still hasn't accepted the free market.
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