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Old 08-19-2008
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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all of them agree that it was well organized, well prepared (months before) action from Russian side.
Any proves? Georgia is spending 70% of its budget on military, that's a best prove of its agression.

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started evacuation of women and children from S. Ossetia 2 weeks before conflict
Because Georgia switched off the water to Tskhinval 1 month before the conflict.

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armed S. Ossetian troops and they heavily bombed Georgian Villages during one week before conflict,
Any proves again? Georgia started to claim that it was Ossetian attack only on 11th August. Till 7th August there's no evidences of activity.

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finished military training in north Caucasus one week before conflict
Russian army's military training are hold very month.

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entered Georgia from two sides (Abkhazia and S. Ossetia) same time as planned
Bullshit.
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Old 08-19-2008
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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Any proves? Georgia is spending 70% of its budget on military, that's a best prove of its agression.

Because Georgia switched off the water to Tskhinval 1 month before the conflict.

Any proves again? Georgia started to claim that it was Ossetian attack only on 11th August. Till 7th August there's no evidences of activity.

Russian army's military training are hold very month.

Bullshit.
Mille, your propaganda is very ineffective. Most of us can see very clearly that both sides have dirty hands.

Georgia blundered and Russia maximized the opportunity that was presented to them.

Shouldn't you be thanking Georgia for being so stupid?
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Old 08-20-2008
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

This is a reminder of the "We will bury you" days of Khrushchev.

They've taken lands by force and are committing atrocities and now WE must 'behave' just to get them to relinquish the lands they have unlawfully taken.

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Old 08-20-2008
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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Any proves? Georgia is spending 70% of its budget on military, that's a best prove of its agression.
wrong again, it's 72.35262677244%
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Old 08-20-2008
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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wrong again, it's 72.35262677244%
According to the Global Security, Georgia spends 5.6% of its GDP on its military.
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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According to the Global Security, Georgia spends 5.6% of its GDP on its military.
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Analysis: Georgia Reverses Decision To Cut Defense Spending
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

Uh oh!

Mille? Where's your proves?
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he does not need proves, he knows...
probably I should say "they know", little Putins...

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Old 08-30-2008
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

Just as a sidenote, you should have shared the following part of your link, so that it's more obvouis why it's important and a little comment would have been fine as well.

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Evidence of "numerous wrong decisions by the Georgian leadership, which led to the beginning of the crisis (the Caucasus)" accumulate at the headquarters of the OSCE, said the magazine "Der Spiegel" in announcements of its articles, which will be fully published in Monday issued.

According to the magazine, "numerous reports of this military observers from the OSCE mission in the Caucasus region came through unofficial channels in various government Instance in Berlin".

According to these data, Georgia was actively preparing a military strike on South Ossetia and began its attack before the Russian tanks entered the (Roksky) tunnel linking Russia with South Ossetia.

There are also reports of observers, who claim that the Georgian leadership ordered the attack on civilians at night, during sleep, noted in the article announcements.
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Georgia is a very important and strategy country for the us and so the development shouldn't wonder. For Russia it is important to hold the overhand in the region and so they could not tolerate a situation in which the us get more ans more power in that region. So they have to supress all uprisings so as that from georgia.
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Just as a sidenote, you should have shared the following part of your link, so that it's more obvouis why it's important and a little comment would have been fine as well.
It's nice to start to see some illumination on the Caucacus situation. So, the Russian link says that Georgia troops attacked the S. Ossetians then the Russians went in. I can see that as possible.

But, I'm confused about why the Russians started building up troops just north of Ossetia/Georgia before this attack on the S. Ossetians.

From exe's link (Did Russia Plan Its War In Georgia?):
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Did Russia Plan Its War In Georgia?
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Before the guns of August, there were the maneuvers of July.

Less than one month before Russia's armed forces entered Georgia on August 8, they held massive military training exercises in the North Caucasus involving 8,000 servicemen and 700 pieces of military hardware.

At center stage in those maneuvers -- which took place in the second half of July, not far from Georgia's border -- was Russia's 58th Army, the very unit that would later play a key role in the incursion.

Those exercises are just one link in a chain of incidents suggesting that Russia's military action in Georgia was planned months in advance, awaiting only an appropriate pretext to act.

Military analyst Pavel Felgenhauer says the aim, from the start, was to overthrow Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili and his pro-Western government.

"This was prepared long ago," Felgenhauer, a Moscow-based military analyst tells RFE/RL's North Caucasus Service, adding that according to his information, a decision to go to war was made back in April....
And, it will be nice to see the Der Spiegel article when it comes out on Monday. They are a trusted source, in my book.
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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It's nice to start to see some illumination on the Caucacus situation. So, the Russian link says that Georgia troops attacked the S. Ossetians then the Russians went in. I can see that as possible.

But, I'm confused about why the Russians started building up troops just north of Ossetia/Georgia before this attack on the S. Ossetians.

From exe's link (Did Russia Plan Its War In Georgia?):

And, it will be nice to see the Der Spiegel article when it comes out on Monday. They are a trusted source, in my book.
Well the Russian link just translated parts of the Spiegel information already being available in German on Der Spiegel's website and probably being published in the written copy on Monday.

I can imagine this information to be true, but it doesn't make good for the Russians to overstay their maybe acceptable "emergancy/being attacked" visa and still being around in the totaly undisputed areas of Georgia.
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Re: what's going on in South Ossetia now?

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Well the Russian link just translated parts of the Spiegel information already being available in German on Der Spiegel's website and probably being published in the written copy on Monday.

I can imagine this information to be true, but it doesn't make good for the Russians to overstay their maybe acceptable "emergancy/being attacked" visa and still being around in the totaly undisputed areas of Georgia.
Right, there is no reasonable explanation for the Russians staying, especially in undisputed Georgia. Combine that with their build-up of troops just north, long before any attack by the Georgians on the Ossetians, then something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
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Military analyst Pavel Felgenhauer says the aim, from the start, was to overthrow Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili and his pro-Western government.

"This was prepared long ago," Felgenhauer, a Moscow-based military analyst tells RFE/RL's North Caucasus Service, adding that according to his information, a decision to go to war was made back in April....
Honestly I can believe that the Russians prepared for every sort of event, at the end every military around the world prepares for future maybe conflicts.

Being at least on a strategical level prepared, doesn't mean that one is focusing on that event and the fact that the Russians haven't taken over Tiblisi is a sign that it wasn't part of their plan.

If they wanted Tiblisi and Saakashvili, they would have done so, there was nothing left to stop them after the first days of conflict.
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