Sorry, i don't buy those staged photos.



Compare with this:



It is the same guy actually. He had "worked" in different places.

I've already told many times, that: "To prevent attacks from Georgia Russia attacked military objects from the air in Georgia, like armory in Gori. This armory had apartment buildings built in 90s contrary to all rules (armory should be on a big distance from civil objects, but they built apartment blocks near it). So when bomb was dropped the weapon in armory detonated and touched civilian ap. blocks. The number of casualties among civilians in Gori is less than 10, according to independent estimations. The other attack was on take-off and landing strip and on radar in the airport, the buildings of airport were not touched. No casualties at all."

Please don't force me to repeat those things again.

The number of deaths among civilians in Georgia is less than 50. The number of deaths among civilians in South Osetia is over 2000.

looks like Russian troops have moved out of the disputed areas and into Georgia proper. Pretty stupid on their part.

BBC NEWS | Special Reports | Russia troops in new Georgia move

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Demilitarization of the Georgian regime is far from being stupid.
I think it's clear to you, that, say, a truck loaded with shells must be deactivated before it deplored the load to the artillery positions. Stupid is to wait him finish it's route. The better case is to prevent this truck to get loaded at all, with one small missile hitting the munition store. This last situation is highly preferrable, because truck driver doesn't risk his life, as well as artillery teams - the silent cannons will not be clamped in reward.

Hmmm, still nothing about recognizing South Ossetia as an independent nation. What a surprise.

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I heard that Georgia was harboring terrorists and that's one of the contributing factors for Russia's invasion of the territory. Putin and Medvedev are fighting them in Georgia so that the terrorists won't be fought in Russia.

I'm hoping that Russia get's everything they want. They're helping to make the world safe for democracy.

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So you've read the Gwynne Dyer piece ...

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Georgia still continues the bombardment of Tskhinval with Grad systems (carpet bombing) from the territory outside South Ossetia.

Curious about your source

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In fact, the main clashes now happen only where the foreign mercenaries hold positions. This is really variegated mob of cosmopolitan thugs - the africans, arabs and God knows who else. Israel corresponds, that the US deliver the munition from Jordan. The US started to evacuate the families of diplomats from Tbilisi as well.

THB, I had read the 2 Time articles, (thanx; they seem pretty good, but I think we’ll have to wait for the dust to settle a bit before we’ll be able to see what role Russia played, if any, in stirring up this mess) but I had skipped that one. I went back over it, (not bad, I don’t agree with the assessment of the UN but otherwise it’s pretty good).

The farce of South Ossetian independence is a point I’ve made a few times on these threads.

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Watch the map to understand the situation:

map of Georgia

The road is red on the map.

There's no direct road between Tskhinval and the place from where Georgians sending rockets on Tskhinval, so you have to go from Abkhazia, pass Sinaki, Kutaisi, etc to reach the destination.

A farce, indeed.

It seems to me that the amount of empty-headed "Russians don't kill civilians" pablum posted here is, frankly, astounding. As is the "Russians are defending against ethnic cleansing."

Russia has had a blockade, not a boycott, mind you, against Georgian good (and Armenian goods going through Georgia) for over a year now, plus the fact that they have supported (if not guided) paramilitaries and mercs against Georgia. Are the Georgians angles? Hell, no. But all data I've seen points to a calculated, well-planned effort to force the hands of the Georgians by the Russians, timed with the Olympics, so that the Georgians, finally, would have no choice.

Interested parties may find these worth-reading:

Lawyers, Guns and Money: The War for South Ossetia
Defense Tech: Georgia v. Russia

Someone there makes the rather salient point that if this goes full scale, and Georgians can block off the one supply line available to Russians, "Old man winter" could make things very difficult for the Russians, as it would likely take substantially longer for them to advance.

Russians don't kill civilians (this isn't directed at you)? Pardon my French, but fucking please. Their use of fuel-air bombs on civilians in Chechnya (students, no less) kinda clears that up right pronto.

All armies tend to kill civilians.

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Bullshit. Georgia borders with Armenia, Azerbaijan and Turkey besides Russia, plus the open water gates in Black Sea. Russia can not surround Georgia and close all transit and trade entrances. Take habit to look on the map before posting. Russia boycotted Georgia economically. Stop spreading lies about blockade.
Georgians had choice not to bombard night city of Tskhinvali and not to kill peacekeepers with the UN mandate. Without this starting point the entire situation today would have stayed in stance of last ten years, when about 1700 light armed peacekeepers successfully deterred small bands.


Interested parties may find these worth-reading:

Lawyers, Guns and Money: The War for South Ossetia
Defense Tech: Georgia v. Russia
There are numerous supply lines. The blocking of one of them will bring the same small effect as blocking of one supply line to the American troops in Afganistan and Iraq.
Calm down about Chechnya at last. The two Chechenian elite military detachments already participate in mission of demilitarization of Georgian regime. They are in Georgia now, well equipped, trained, bearded brave guys, who march with the saluting chanting "Allahu Akbar!".

You've missed the point. I'm talking about Georgian goods going directly into Russia, Georgia's largest and most important trading partner. If goods are sent through other regional points, they are still Georgian and stopped. This is a simple fact, and has nothing to do with simply re-routing them to get past the blockade. To deny this is simply pissing in the wind.I notice that you mention nothing of the attacks on Georgian troops by paramilitaries and Russian-supported militias. There is a reason the Georgians attacked, and there is a reason that the Russians were so conspicuoulsy, strangely prepared for it.Wrong. There is only one of any real worth.Ah, yes, the traditional hatred and finger-pointing at muslims.

How tired and predictable.

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