Terrorists.

Yup, most likely some terrorists there among the folks burning the flag.

Good eye.

Matt

It's hard to believe that Pakistan is at last showing some nads, but there you are. Even the Pakistanis can only take having their population chopped up by American-led terrorists for just so long.

Just about everybody, outside of America's arms-dealing club, is entitled to be enraged.




A halt to that little perk must be on the cards too.

Pakistans defence minister says something quite different.

Really.

Actually I think it was the Prime Minister, my mistake.

Id like to ask you why you think that Northern tribesmen should have the protection of the border when they retreat from Afghanistan?

Because disrespect for any State's borders equates to international criminality. America is currently leading the world in international criminality. Many people have been deceived into believing that the criminals are the policemen. Many more know better.

Hmm. yet Pakistan allows it citizens to cross into afghanistan and cause trouble there. Thus there is balance.

see post #120.....

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If you have evidence of Pakistani State-sponsored raiding into Afghanistan then lets see it. I'm not speculating about deadly American-led raids into Pakistan. The reports are all over the Internet.

yes I agree with that, I don’t believe the paki gov. is sponsoring or actively aiding them, but they are turning a blind eye to it, Musharraf ceded Waziristan to extremist elements, and to be fair to expect him or the new gov. whoever the heck they are, to basically undertake a war to destroy them etc. is not really our biz, aside from what we now suffer from regards those elements is wholly of our own making by going into Afghanistan pushing the balloon and forcing them into paki. In much greater numbers and it provides a sanctuary.

Of course it would great if paki. Secured their border etc. but its aint gonna happen.

The only option left is the Cambodian option and we aint there yet.

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

The problem is more complicated. I personally believe that the region across the border of Pakistan with Afghanistan has been pushed to be the way it is now.

Elements from Afghanistan crossed into that region after the war started and passed on the influence. Then you have to consider the similarities in culture, tradition, ethnicity and religion. That part of pakistan has been quickly falling in the hands of what is known now as Taliban Pakistan.

This is new... it came about as a byproduct of the US led invasion and their behaviour in that region. Also, they share similar interests and objectives. Known of them wants invaders around there.

Now everyone around there can cross between Afghanistan and Pakistan however and whenever they wish. The Pakistani Gov cant do much about it. It is trying by sending their troops up there but they are unwanted, they have been resisted and to expect them to control the borders is ridiculous.

How can they control the borders when its 100s of kms of mountains and difficult terrain, donkeys are the only means of transport there.

Then the point Moon brought up is valid. America attacks anyone who looks like Taliban across the border (in pakistan) regardless of International Law. I dont think the Pakistani Gov has a clear independent say in this. After all they have to look as if they are within the group (war on terror etc).

Musharraf is out... lets see what the new president is like. Musharraf was considered very proAmerican.... and a military dictator not liked by his people. Its very likely that the new government will not bend over to American demands as Musharraf's gov did. We'll have to wait and see.

WS.

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Let's hope the new Pakistani government does recognize that there is the Cambodian option, though, so that this does not escalate to that level.

No, just the circumstances surrounding them.

Matt

American-led raids into Pakistan

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