First don't try to lecture me as if I had never heard or read about Afghanistan, second just because they have support (forced or willingly) now, doesn't mean it's not possible to reverse it. In the past it was possible to seperate tribes/warlords/local Taliban leaders from them and ان شاء الله
it will be possible again.

Frankly I first read about the Taliban +( an assesment about the dangers possed by them) in a german defense publication in early 1996.

When was the first time you can frankly say that you heared about them?

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Yeah, somebody needs to get off his butt and join up with the Taliban.

Stable? Yes I suppose if you live in fear of being publicly executed in the soccer stadium because you have been accused of adultery would tend to make people timid and thus keep things "stable". **** the democracy, bring back public stonings, baby!

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Be aware of what you are wishing for! American soldiers could die laughing their ass off, due to seeing WS pretending to be a fighter.

Anyway imho the kid is probably just a bit emotional and "hyperconfused" in his judgement.

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The place was not stable under their rule.

Women and children starved and they constantly fought the northern tribes because they couldnt stand to have someone else run things.


Their support in the population is somewhat in doubt.
Theyve never taken much notice of the population.
Thats why theyve stopped taking on the British Army for example. They cant lose any many more men.

This war wilbe over once we stop letting them rest and recover in the winter time and go and find them. Stopping the yanks dropping large bombs everywhere would help too.

More important than stopping the yanks dropping large bombs, it's important to get accurate information/cooperation by the Afghans themselves.

Maybe Karsei's firing two regional comanders involved in this event is a step into the right direction.

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Democracy is just a way of setting laws. It doesn't inherently make laws that respect liberty. Just look at America and our drug laws.

Be mindful of where you live before throwing stones. If you'll remember, the US purposefully delayed a ceasefire and express shipped munitions to Israel during their bombardment of Lebanon, which included the use of cluster munitions. And were they not used by the US during both gulf wars? The US is also one of the worlds largest manufactureres of cluster munitions so calling out their use by another nation as evidence of barbarism doesn't really work.

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According to people like Sarah Chayes, that isn't happening, at least not as of March of this year. As someone who's been working there since 2002 she gives a much different perspective of whats actually happening on the local level.

A very imformed perspective.

http://www.sarahchayes.net/images/Shadow_government.pdf

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If you were really leaning towards the taliban you would be over there helping them in the jihad, dont use words grab a rifle

It appears you are another frustrated Muslim. I can sympathize. I've felt much the same way myself. But please, in your angst do not confuse the situation. There is a hadith out there that states "Deeds are judged by motives". Islamic philosophy holds that whatever action you do, regardless the end result, your deed is always judged by the motives that inspired it. There are several schools of Western philosophy that also ascribe to this belief.

So, understand that when an American laser guided missile goes in to kill militant taliban it is not their intention to harm civilians. It is collateral damage. This does not make this EXTREMELY bitter pill to swallow any easier but there is a difference. The intention of a laser guided missile that accidentally kills civilians is very different from that of a suicide bomber walking into a cafe and blowing him (and now her?) self up with the intention of killing civilians.

If both the Americans and the Taliban want to create a stable government in Afghanistan which would you rather have? One that genuinely regrets such behavior or one that actively participates in it? It is a logical fallacy to say that because America commits a tragic mistake somehow the Talibans claims are validated.

Finally, as a Muslim, stop blaming the Americans for the shambles the Muslim world is in. It is a result of hundred of years of backwards thinking, selfish leadership and a confusion between the relationship of Islam and modernity. Get pissed off brotha, your anger is righteous, but direct it at the right people. These corrupt regimes who commit human rights abuses, do not build their infrastructure, have no interest in spreading their wealth, educating their populaces THESE are your targets. Protest them, demand America cut off ties with them. These Mullahs preaching violence, THESE are your targets. Show that like the Tim McVeighs and Baruch Goldstein of Christianity and Judaism that they are NOT welcome and will NOT be tolerated. If anything, you should be appalled and offended that your religion is being mangled by the likes of these fanatics and maniacs.

It's time Muslims stop blaming the rest of the world for the catastrophic policies of their own regimes. Stand up, stand strong!

It's unfortunate that accidents happen in war. This is one of many reasons why war cannot be taken lightly.

When the enemy hides amongst the civilian populace, it is going to make collateral damage even more common.

Also, just because the US has smart bombs does not mean they always function correctly. I recently heard that the JDAM's (the ones guided by GPS) have a 95% hit rate. 5% of the time they are likely to miss. It's still a lot better than the carpet bombing of previous wars.

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The media in the USA did not say that in the first place.

Therefore you are the one that is spreading disinformation.

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Ahh, the cowards in their fancy jet planes are at it again.

Andrew

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Yes our troops are. All of our horses are involved in sports or pulling the Amish around and our suits of armour are busy being in the museums. And, the horror of it all is our lance manufacturing has gone offshore.