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Re: UN confirms 90 civilians killed in US airstrike

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I think the Russians wouldn't care, they were too busy cluster-bombing Georgian cities to notice...
It s false... We didnt boomb peaceful geogrians... Let ask Saakashvilli: Why in the period of his government population in Georgia decreased in 30% before 08/08/08? Answer: Saakashvilli is destroing his nation... It s not democracy it s a polic of intimidation... Our people always experience when some one in the world die in conflict. We know better then any nation how hard is it.. We experienced also when talibad killed 10 french soldiers... For what they fight? Against Ben Laden? But he is not = Afganistan!

NASO soldiers killed peaceful people not the first time and then no one accused!
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Ahh, the cowards in their fancy jet planes are at it again.

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IF only they had the intestinal fortitude to BLOG! Then they would really be making a difference in the world.
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IF only they had the intestinal fortitude to BLOG! Then they would really be making a difference in the world.
Oh they are making a difference, mass slaughter of children always makes a difference. Apparently this is something for you to make light of?

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Ahh, the cowards in their fancy jet planes are at it again.

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I'm amused that one would think the use of modern technology somehow qualifies them as timorous. Much like anonymous, Internet personalities that talk tough on discussion boards.
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I'm amused that one would think the use of modern technology somehow qualifies them as timorous. Much like anonymous, Internet personalities that talk tough on discussion boards.
It symbolizes the entire force as cowards. They carelessly put the life of innocents at risk to avoid doing courageous soldiering, and then pretend it didn't happen afterwords. If you want to white wash this reality that's up to you.

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Andrewl, you know your coward claim is always going to get a reaction yet you do it. It makes one start to wonder about your motivation for doing it.

And, my answer to you will always be: When one's life is on the line, they will not handicap themselves to lower their fight to the level of their enemy just to please some bleeding hearts. War is not a spectator sport.

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It symbolizes the entire force as cowards. They carelessly put the life of innocents at risk to avoid doing courageous soldiering, and then pretend it didn't happen afterwords. If you want to white wash this reality that's up to you.

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I've not alluded to white washing any reality. I'm amused that one would use an oxymoron to say one is a coward that does courageous soldiering.
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Andrewl, you know your coward claim is always going to get a reaction yet you do it. It makes one start to wonder about your motivation for doing it.
I do it out of genuine outrage at the fact that my money and labor goes to support these assholes.

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And, my answer to you will always be: When one's life is on the line, they will not handicap themselves to lower their fight to the level of their enemy just to please some bleeding hearts. War is not a sport.
And my answer will always be the same... regardless of any justification you can imagine, it does not preclude modern warfare from being waged by cowards. Last i checked there were tens of thousands of western forrces on the ground in Afghanistan, yet they still chose to bomb these people. If they had anything in their character besides the careless dosregard for Afghan civilians they would do the courageous thing and go after the taliban on their feet, rather than bombing children from the sky and reporting bullshit stories after the fact.

BTW, are innocent men, women and children now the enemy in Afghanistan? That is who the bombs were dropped on, they could have at least lowered themselves enough to realize that!


Im shocked that you would think outrage at the bombing death of dozens of children is only for bleeding hearts.... that is about the crassest and immoral thing i've ever seen you post.

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I've not alluded to white washing any reality. I'm amused that one would use an oxymoron to say one is a coward that does courageous soldiering.
Hey, if you feel like actually making a point, let me know. I would be happy to discuss it.

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Im shocked that you would think outrage at the bombing death of dozens of children is only for bleeding hearts.... that is about the crassest and immoral thing i've ever seen you post.

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Be shocked all you want with your imagined strawman about any sense of tragedy being "only for bleeding hearts". What's likely only for bleeding hearts is the idea that when one's life is on the line that they will lower their skills and give up their technology to feed the bleeding hearts' desire to see some kind of fair fight - as one would see in a spectator sport. There is an old adage: All is fair in love and war. The corollary to that would be, nothing is fair in love and war.

Using your advantages when your life is on the line is not cowardly; it is smart.
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Using your advantages when your life is on the line is not cowardly; it is smart.
This was exactly my point in my original post ..

Using technology doesn't make one a coward -- specifically military equipment. It would be much like saying soldiers are cowards because they wear kevlar and drive around in tanks.
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Hey, if you feel like actually making a point, let me know. I would be happy to discuss it.

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I have a difficult time making a point when I'm responding to nonsensical, emotional bullshit.
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Be shocked all you want with your imagined strawman about any sense of tragedy being "only for bleeding hearts". What's likely only for bleeding hearts is the idea that when one's life is on the line that they will lower their skills and give up their technology to feed the bleeding hearts' desire to see some kind of fair fight - as one would see in a spectator sport. There is an old adage: All is fair in love and war. The corollary to that would be, nothing is fair in love and war.

Using your advantages when your life is on the line is not cowardly; it is smart.
You are entirely missing the point Si Modo. They are not just merely using their technology and smarts to protect their own lives, they are using it in a way that puts innocent life at great risk. That is what makes them cowards. They would rather kill sixty children than lose a few soldiers in a raid. If they can't take that risk to protect those children, they get no respect from me. It sickens me.

And whether or not they can do any different at this point is irrelevant, they are still cowards. That is the reality of modern warfare, avoidable or not.

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This was exactly my point in my original post ..
So next time actually make that point instead of using insults.

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Using technology doesn't make one a coward -- specifically military equipment. It would be much like saying soldiers are cowards because they wear kevlar and drive around in tanks.

Its the way they use it, recklessly and without care. All to protect their own lives. Truly courageous and honorable soldiers put their lives in danger to protect innocents.

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I have a difficult time making a point when I'm responding to nonsensical, emotional bullshit.
I never hide my emotions. I can still make posts that actually have a point though. Perhaps you should shelve your emotion until you can control it better.


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