Including 60 children. First the pentagon denied that any civilians were killed, then they said "some" civilians may have been killed but still claim the strike was "legitimate." Isn't there someone with enough common sense to realize that the more civilians are killed, especially children, the more people you alienate and enrage? People in that region of the world are reportedly prone to have a keen memory for past injustices. Unfortunately Obama and his future European "yes men" counterparts will adopt the same strategy of more troops, more fighting, and more alienation. I bet the Russians are shaking their heads in disbelief that history could so quickly repeat itself.

UN Confirms 90 Afghan Civilians Killed in US Attack | News From Antiwar.com


Afghanistan attack was 'legitimate' hit at Taliban: Pentagon - Yahoo! News

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I think I read somwhere that karzai sacked 2 commanders due to this tragedy as well...

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Bis interimitur qui suis armis perit...

I think the Russians wouldn't care, they were too busy cluster-bombing Georgian cities to notice...

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"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it."
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If no one names murder murder murder is not murder?

The problem is,... many Americans still believe their media.... that those 90 dead are not civilians but taliban forces.

They will admit that the Bush Administration in the past has lied about many issues.... but they wouldnt think that it will continue lying If Bush says pigs fly, there is no doubt, that they fly Oh gullible americans you continue to dissapoint the world.

What more do you need than pictures of dead children lying around the bombed area. But then again, they are not American kids (or Israeli kids).

Day after day I lean more towards the Taliban. I'd rather see women in burqa than see them in pieces due to an American bomb. I disagree with the way the Taliban ran their country but heck it was stable and afghani children were alive and kicking. **** you America and **** your democracy

I hope Afghanis continue to resist and rid their country off the evil occupiers

WS.

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Color me surprised.
That about sums up your stance. No surprises there, either.

Calm down mate. You're obviously feeling the tragedy, but think for a minute.

You and I both know the Taliban are a disaster for the country. Women and children starve and they spend most of their time fighting various tribes due to their being a mainly pashtun force.

Besides, the forces there are under a UN mandate and are more interested in rebuilding the land than any force thats ever been there.

Even most Afghanis agree with me.

That's really sad to hear and maybe instead of focusing on things that went wrong (noone, apart from the taliban, is happy or proud about civilian deaths), you should keep the bigger picture in mind and be aware of the fact that the struggle against the Taliban is a joint Afghan/Western affair.

Unhappily your hopes continue to be fullfilled and today just another German soldier died + 3 others were wounded in Afghanistan.

(Btw how does it feels when one's deathwishes for others come true? )

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Surprise, surprise.

Ya know, I hear the Taliban is hurting for fighters. Perhaps it is time for you to pick up a rifle and lend a hand.

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Those on the left in this country are anything but liberals.

I am a liberal, a classical liberal. Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current collectivists have captured that designation in the United States. In Europe they are glad enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are.

For me its really this simple. I will explain.

The Taliban are afghanis, they have always fought occupiers in past and won. I am not saying they are a perfect regime and I disagree with the way they ran the country. But Afghanistan was stable politically and the only problem was with the corrupted Northern Alliance opposition who have infiltrated the current also corrupt government which was brought to power by the US.

On the other hand, the current government has done nothing for afghanistan and afghanis,.... they are similar to the puppet iraqi government... they are just in power to bend over to America not really to look after the real interests of the afghani people.

At the end of the day, America has not improved the life of afghanis but rather it has made it worse. Their women and children are bombed by those who claim are bringing them freedom dadadadada oh and democracy dadadada..... their lives are in a bigger mess than before ...the drug trade has gone out of control... whereas the taliban shut it off completely.

I used the same argument with Iraq. I hate Saddam... I dont kno anyone who liked the guy.... but the Iraq under his rule was stable and a fully functioning country.... even as a dictator, call him the most evil human being if you like.... Iraqis under Saddam had a life, they had jobs, they went out of their homes without the fear of dying.... now regardless of who is the killer.... they are dying and so are their women and children. I am not saying he is an ideal leader, ... I am just saying between the two situations... his Iraq was much better than the current iraq. Nobody can argue this unless they are blind.

Back to Afghanistan..... the US had an issue with Al Qaeda.... fine....they attacked ur country on 9/11?....go get them.... leave afghanis out of this though.... they took their eyes off OBL and his lot.... who must be in Pakistan now.... go bomb them in pakistan and leave afghanistan alone. What pisses me off is that 90 women and children were bombed to bits and very few condemned this... as if they are destined to die. Are they not human beings? How would you feel if one of them was your child?

We are all suppose to give a fk when 1 Israeli or American kid dies but when Afghanis or Iraqi children die.... they are collateral damage or an accident or some other fkin excuse. Ive had enough of this sht.

Ok you all hate the Taliban? So do I....but so what? You hate half of the world's regimes for many other reasons.... coruption, dictatorships etc.... but you just cant go into countries bombing the hell out of everyone cos "we want to bring them democracy, love, liberty, freedom....etc".

Thats all it boils down to. The Taliban are not going to disappear..... because they are part of the people... its not like they are foreign to the land. So the solution must be something else. Meanwhile,... OBL and his lot are regrouping and recruiting pakistanis while the US is focused on bombing innocent afghanis who had nothing to do with 9/11 in the first place.

Damn right am feeling this tragedy.. unfortunately not many here do..... and am not even afghani or have anything to do with afghanistan...but we are suppose to friggin care as human beings.... and not just care for our own...... i can imagine how the relatives of those women and children must be feeling like.

WS.

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OK Rev. Wright.

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Dems....a flash in the pan.

The Taliban dont need to hurt for fighters. America's actions are creating more recruits than ever before. So the recruitment process is kept alive when for example 90 afghani women and children get bombed.

Lets face it,.. in 7 years you couldnt finish them off. Do you kno why? Cos you are recruiting more than you are killing genius

WS.

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It just had to be said America's version of democracy in the M/E means death, destruction, occupation, invasion, support for corrupted undemocratic governments etc.

So if nobody wants to say it, I will say it.... **** democracy. This is not Germany or Japan like some of you are dreaming Iraq and Afghanistan will turn into Ignorance to a new level.

WS.

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Lets face it,... in 7 years they couldn't throw us out. Do you kno why? Cos they are dieing faster, than they are able to recruit/regroup genius

Anyway I think your picture of the Taliban as a purely, local resistance group is far from the truth and thanks to the new Taliban tactical use of suicide bombers (unknown in Afghanistan before) they will for sure piss of the local population, just like it happened in Iraq and hopefully someone intelligent enough will be able to use that and bring the paschtuns back into the process and thus destroy the taliban in the long run.

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The Taliban are of Pashtun origin. They are the largest ethinic group making 42% of the population.

They have alot of support in the eastern and southern provinces bordering pakistan since they are of the same origin as those tribes just across the border.

Read about how the taliban came about in the first place.

My point was, trying to get rid of them using invasion and force does not work, especially when they have support of the people. Killing afghani women and children does not help.

I do not support them as a regime, their way of governance sux,..but atleast afghanistan under their rule was stable. It was poor and backward etc sure...thats how afghanistan always been... infact that region is like that..... other countries are poor and backward too.... african countries etc.... they dont have the taliban there.

Anyway, are we talking regime change then? Well thats not the way to do it. Karzai has no support whatsoever and he is corrupted to the teeth.

To be honest, I dont kno what the hell Americans are wasting their time with in Afghanistan. There is no oil there and clearly their objective is not Al Qaeda, cos Al Qaeda is not in Afghanistan anymore.... and anyway Taliban's objective was never to attack America .... so what the hell is the US/Nato doing there again?

Bringing democracy and liberty to the people of afghanistan? Wont work.... and the reasons are obvious. I discussed this in details in previous threads.

WS.

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