Perhaps you are right, moon. List of countries by suicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As the military suicide percentages are insignificantly different than the US population, you've made quite the odd point. Of those 45 countries who have greater percentages of suicide than that in the USA, which "monsters" should be targeted first?

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We must remind the Lithuanians that their scumbag evil leaders will soon be replaced! Down with those self-serving mobsters calling themselves Lithuanian ministers!

Lithuania must pull back all of their soldiers abroad to solve this horrible problem. The truth will win out! Lithuania, the Hope and Change train is coming for you! OBAMA 08!

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The statistics are readily available and well covered by the media.

How to find them is only a mystery to people like yourself who don't really know a thing about the US and have no clue what we see and read in the media daily.

Matt

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Moony doesnt care about the truth, only what he can get someone to believe rather it be the truth or not.


And no I have never counselled a troop contemplating suicide period. Even when the Dear John letters started pouring in after a few month in country.

I'm tempted to respond to such a poorly thought out comments with an insult, but I'll refrain.

Any person who takes a life, is the person responsible for taking that life.
Period.
Not the manufacturer of the gun, or the owner of the bar. Not the Governor. Not the President.

The world is sick of the liberal montra of blaming someone else.

Based on your own blame-game rules, if anyone reads your comments here, gets depressed and kills their self, that'd make you the responsible monster.
Would you feel guilty? It's the same analogy.

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you gonna asnwer or?

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)

Your 'debt' is invented. A word of caution; questions which aren't couched within the terms of the topic can't be answered. If you want to question me directly ensure that your question is within 'the rules'.


The evidence supporting the thread demonstrates that US military in Iraq had inadequate counseling in 2004 and that their suicide rates have continued to rise since then, to a record level today. There's no point in disputing that unless you want to dispute the military figures. The findings in 2004 were that up to 3/4 of the military interviewed were experiencing a failure of morale.
It's my contention that impossibly bad leadership is a contributing factor to the poor morale of American soldiers, a factor which contributes to American soldiers commiting suicide. That contention hasn't met any serious refutations here yet, and I venture to offer that it won't.



Fear, of course, is one of the primary reasons for soldiers on active duty to kill themselves. One ex-serviceman, a veteran of fighting against Pashtun tribesmen, tells me that a common method is to put the muzzle of the rifle into the mouth in a latrine. Obviously, American soldiers under pressure to kill themselves should never ever be allowed to reach that state of despair. They are being failed by their immediate officers and the superiors of those officers. Denial hasn't prevented new records of suicide being set.

I'm new here guys, so help me out.
Has Moon always avoided answering questions while spewing out more anti-war rhetoric?
People avoid direct answers to direct questions when they know they're wrong, so they try to doublespeak themselves out of a corner.
Moon, I dare you to spew your tired old anti-war rhetoric at this guy:
The New Free Iraq - www.FakeDemocracy.com

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*touches index finger to nose and points in your direction with free hand* We have a winner, folks.

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

a word of caution, others may swallow that cop out swill, I won't.


Let me refresh your memory…..there never was a question of why, or whatever’s....you provided what I called a link with questionable declarations etc. declaring that they had or were about to gain proof that there were; 120 deaths by suicide a week, thousands of attempts a month etc. you defended it whole heartedly and said you would site more evidence and said that the site and the documentation would be forthcoming etc…..


Where is the proof please? If there is none, then I expect a simple admission that the numbers you used to make the usual bold accusatory assertions were nothing more than illusion and in fact just drummed up to win a debate point.


spare me the gobbleygook.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)

You're confusing me with someone else, pal. 120 suicides a week is an idiotic claim and I certainly never made it. You should withdraw your 'swill' charge, check your facts , apologise and then do whatever fits your concept of gentlemanly behaviour. .
In fact, I insist. You'll be pressed to make the correction at every reasonable opportunity.

The matter of suicides amongst US military personnel appears to be a topic that many would like glossed over, buried or simply disguised amongst an avalanche of absurd accusation.

Your concern for the welfare and mental well-being of the troops is commendable, Moon.

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Don't startle him, Joe - it's almost full!

The suicide rate of vets returning home with mental illnesses and disabilities, is also rising. Looks like the war will follow those soldiers back home.

Where is Frank, he has all the statistics and facts about this topic.

WS.

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Ah, but don't let that prevent you from making any claims that you don't back up. Don't depend on your pal, the White Nationalist, to back up your claims. You'll have to do that yourself, like the rest of us.

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Transcended only by my concerns for their victims.