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Old 09-05-2008
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US military suicide rates climbing.

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Meanwhile, army officials on Thursday revealed that the suicide rate among US soldiers could surpass last year's record, and urged military leaders to increase prevention efforts.


There were 62 confirmed suicides among active duty soldiers and army reserves called to active duty this year, while another 31 deaths that appear to be suicides were being investigated.

There were 115 suicides last year.


Al Jazeera English - Americas - US troops 'should stay in Iraq'

Perhaps these guys have lost confidence in their leadership.
As a preventative measure, all active duty soldiers and army reserves should receive a daily reminder that there's an election coming up.



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Re: US military suicide rates climbing.

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Perhaps these guys have lost confidence in their leadership.
As a preventative measure, all active duty soldiers and army reserves should receive a daily reminder that there's an election coming up.


How about we support the leadership that we Americans elected, and also let the military leadership do their jobs without our interference since we are not privy to classified information anyway?
We lost 10,000 American troops on D-Day alone. In a couple of hours, we lost over 3,000 American civilians on 9-11. Since then, we have lost around 4,000 troops in 5 years defending our border from terrorists, and we have been able to do it over in Afghanistan and Iraq, not here at home. Like him or not, George W Bush has kept our country safe for the last 8 years.
Regarding suicides, how about we compare the military suicides with the average American rate? There were over 32 thousand suicides commited in 2005. How does that number compare statistically to the military suicides? Does beingin the military cause undue stress to cause you to kill yourself. Me thinks not.
http://www.suicidology.org/associati...005datapgs.pdf

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Re: US military suicide rates climbing.

Compare the suicide rate in Japan with the suicide rate in the article the OP cited.

Boy, that George Bush sure has influence....

(Or, perhaps, moon just has no clue what he's talking about when he speaks about the US)

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Re: US military suicide rates climbing.

The suicide rate for civilians in the United States is 15 per 100,000. About average for most European countries. In our military it is 17 per 100,000.

The suicide rate is usually highest among 15-24 yr olds. What age group makes up a majority of the military? 18-24 yr olds. The suicide rate for males is 5 times higher then females. What makes a majority of our military?
Teenage suicide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Suicide rates have increased overall in the United States. So the military isn't the only place it has increased.



The suicide rate is 18 per 100,000 among police officers.

What do you suppose we do about that?
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Re: US military suicide rates climbing.

you guys are blowing it for moon...but then he really doesn't care about accuracy - he is simply posting headlines comparable to supermarket tabloids - the intent is not to report the truth - the intent to for you to read his post.
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Re: US military suicide rates climbing.

From the original, obviously unread , link;

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Colonel Eddie Stephens, deputy director of human resources policy at the Pentagon, said this year's rate per 100,000, if all deaths are confirmed as suicides, would exceed that of civilian suicides.


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George W Bush has kept our country safe for the last 8 years.
Shame about its military citizens.
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Re: US military suicide rates climbing.

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Perhaps these guys have lost confidence in their leadership.
As a preventative measure, all active duty soldiers and army reserves should receive a daily reminder that there's an election coming up.


Moon, I would have hoped that stooping to using the misery of suicide victims and their families to make another one of your lame-assed political meanderings would be too shameful even for you, but I guess we just don't know where the bottom is for you. I would like to send you to the other side of the planet and make you live in hot, sleepless and deadly circumstances for 15 months and see how long it took you to start getting depressed. Troops don't blow their heads off because they don't like their leaders; they complain about them. They blow their heads off because they are depressed due to personal reasons. Come to think of it, if you were stationed with them prattling on constantly with your moonbat basura, you may drive them to suicide yourself.
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Re: US military suicide rates climbing.

The hypocricy of using a soldier's tragedy (and that of his/her family) for a partisan point is reprehensible. It's especially reprehensible when that hypocrit's general view of the soldiers, Marines, airmen, and sailors is that they are criminals. That is moon's general view of US service members.

However, his view of fighters for Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. is that they are heros no matter what their actions are.

The hypocricy is transparent and the concern for the soldiers' well-being and that of their families is so phoney that it is nauseating.
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U.S. Army suicide rate may hit new high

Friday 05th September, 06:30 AM JST

WASHINGTON —

The U.S. Army is on track to break last year’s all-time record for suicides, a pace that would top the civilian suicide rate for the first time since the Vietnam war, army officials said Thursday.

The officials said 93 soldiers have taken their own lives so far this year, approaching last year’s 115 suicides, the most ever on record in a single year for the army.

U.S. Army suicide rate may hit new high › Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion
Japan Today. The significance of these statistics is world-wide news.

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Re: US military suicide rates climbing.

I would prefere it if you reverted back to extolling the heroism, bravery and patriotic deeds to AQI, Hamas and Hezbollah.
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Re: US military suicide rates climbing.

So Army suicides might catch up to the suicide rates of the rest of America? Oh, the humanity…
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Re: US military suicide rates climbing.

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Japan Today. The significance of these statistics is world-wide news.
Yes, it may show that soldiers' will no longer be more mentally stable than the general public.
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Re: US military suicide rates climbing.

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Independent experts said they hope the team's report offers some insight into the suicides. Did they result from personal issues, such as the loss of close relationships, or from legal and financial matters? Or did they involve larger, more sensitive issues about the U.S. mission in Iraq?

Those broader questions relate to the morale of soldiers in Iraq, many of whom have complained of a long deployment. And they bear upon whether the Bush administration is over- straining its standing army with such practices as deploying soldiers, such as Suell, on consecutive tours with insufficient family time, experts said.

Army officials have declined to comment on the potential contents of the report.

Army's Suicide Rate has Outside Experts Alarmed
There may be all sorts of theories as to why US soldiers are killing themselves. My own is that a contributing factor is scumbag , self-serving leadership.
That, of course, will manifest itself in various ways. Evidently, others share this view.

Remind the military and reserve that an election is just around the corner. It may save lives.

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Re: US military suicide rates climbing.

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There may be all sorts of theories as to why US soldiers are killing themselves. My own is that a contributing factor is scumbag , self-serving leadership.
That, of course, will manifest itself in various ways. Evidently, others share this view.

Remind the military and reserve that an election is just around the corner. It may save lives.

This is bullshit. My brother is in the Navy and the large majority of servicemen support McCain. When he came back from his deployment in Iraq, there was a lot of concern over the depression and suicide and DUI rate immediately upon return. They warned everyone that it was common and that they should seek help that was available.

It was attributed to several factors, including the strain that their absence put on their families and the disconnect between what they expected when they got back -- fantasies of huge welcome and gratitude -- and the reality.

Many men and women who have served are very angry with the idea that Obama wants to pull out of a war that they have made personal sacrifices for and they do not support him.

Trying to spin their deaths in this way is ignorant and reprehensible.
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Re: US military suicide rates climbing.

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There may be all sorts of theories as to why US soldiers are killing themselves. My own is that a contributing factor is scumbag , self-serving leadership.
That, of course, will manifest itself in various ways. Evidently, others share this view.

Remind the military and reserve that an election is just around the corner. It may save lives.

Your comments are in poor taste and you should know better. To debunk your theory that soldiers are killing themselves because they don't like George Bush, or Gen Patreus, I personally know if a soldier that put his M4 under his chin in 2006, because his wife had left him, and the stresses of combat duty were affecting him. No note left that he was doing it because he was not happy with the leadership skills of Donal Rumsfeld.
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