yes they very well may, and of course posing in enemy uniforms ala lets say oh the nazi saboteurs in the battle of the bulge got them a firing squad when caught, you down with that?


and there we go, just call them heroic and be done with it.


as far "as provoking the enemy" etc. well does that include razzing the enemy standing over dead bodies already mangled etc. after battle? ..is there a line to be drawn?

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Yeah I always wanted to hear how ex-soldiers in this forum view ethics and rules of war. Do they teach them this in the military. Do they apply any set of rules or morals on the battlefield.

On your point above, one does not need to possess superior weapons to win a war,...as we have seen small groups of resistance fighters using outdated weapons can still cause problems for a superior army.

However, the point of ethics is raised in HOW superior weapons are used, the unproportional response to an attack using these weapons.

I have seen many pro-war forumers here say that war is dirty. Use whatever you have to win the war. Well, you cant bomb a village or say a country because 2 of your soldiers have been kidnapped.

WS.

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For what reason? Id rather keep them for intelligence.

No, he's just saying posing with dead soldier trophy is one thing, bombing a buidling a killing a number of civilians in quite another to get emotional about. Can you see that point?

Or is there less emotion required because its not our civilians?

Not really no. Besides, standing over the dead getting your picture taken is common.

They teach the Geneva convention and protection of civilians + their proper treatment.
Soldiers will often try to apply these principles. In combat this isnt often possible.

No I cant agree here. Causing problems is one thing proves very costly in the long run for the population. Moslty superior firepower will win out every time. Vietnam was not a military defeat, but a political one.

Well, agreed. proportionality is a reasonable ethical requirement when you have such superiority.


Actually, they are quite right. The only problem is they then complain when a terrorist follows their own logic.

because going about in enemy uniform is I believe outlined in the Geneva convention as a crime.... as far as intel, they sweated them, their mission was to change road signs, blow shit up and create as much havoc as they could....

never said so, but you are free to ask leading mischaracterizing questions as is your right



I'll keep that in mind.

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Are we really having a discussion here about the ethics of the Taliban? The Taliban is hated only second to the U.S. and Israel in most parts of the east. Anyone who blows up a school in their own country is to be expected to wear the kit of soldiers they had killed. Any true Muslim does not believe that the Taliban respresents the law of Islam. They don't have ethics. They don't have a code of conduct. I am glad the press took that picture. The more we see of how the rest of the world operates the more we can appreciate our own military. I would also like to point out that the French hadn't had casualties like this since 1983 in Beirut. It is a horrible thing that happened and I hope the pictures help the few who would still support a group of heretic murders such as the Taliban realize that their kind can't be reasoned with and fought fairly. They need to be eradicated.

if i could show the film of what happened to roberts on roberts ridge in 2002 , this incident is mild and nothing for these pieces of shit

Dishonor?

One can only be dishonored if they had honor to begin with, and the Taliban had absolutely none. They are the scum of the Earth.

The use of the gear here is, I suspect, the least of the story. I'm concerned about what the Taliban types did with the bodies.

Here's just a sample of the Taliban's handiwork:

Taliban 'hanged boy, 12, for spying for UK' - Telegraph

But there are, of course, some who will defend anything they do.

Matt

You don't seem to understand.

West = Great Satan

So, anybody who fights the West, regardless if they are serial child rapists, are heroic and righteous!


Correct me if I am wrong

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the taliban..yes sure....some more handiwork I find particularly egregious as I love antiquities..

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I'd be careful about using this incident as an example of barbarbarism on the part of the taliban, which it obviously is. The US has been directly and indirectly responsible for far greater damage to historical artifacts with much, much greater significance to the history of human civilization than the example listed above. If one vehemently denounces the Taliban for commiting such barbaric acts, what are you implicitly saying about the actions of US? Especially when you consider one group has no teeth and the other is one of the most advanced industrialized nations on earth?


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I'm not sure you understand the freedoms of press. It's not just a matter of the right to be photographed, it's also the right to present those photographs to others, the the rights of others to view those photographs. I've little doubt that those Taliban fighters can already purchase a camera and photograph themselves. It's the right of news agencies to show those photographs and OUR rights to view them that are what I presume the freedom of press to mean.

The Press is free to do what it pleases, but what about the decency of a Frenchman? The fact that a major French magazine finds nothing wrong with posting said pictures shows that morally they are not that different from the Taliban fighters in the photos.

The Western media seems to have an immoral fetish to broadcast every gruesome video the insurgents/Taliban/terrorists can make. What ever happened to common decency between countrymen? Did that die in WWII?

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Why is that? Do you feel that reporting on 9/11 makes one no different than the 9/11 hijackers? Using your logic, they are no different. Why do you have such a big problem with that report?Again, what is your problem with the photo? So someone dressed up as a soldier. So what?

Firstly, this kind of news moves. It brings quick cash. It will sell alot of papers...and its very controversial. People want that.

Secondly, in the last decade especially, world press has changed alot. It changed in the way it covers events. We can now know almost anythin about everythin and LIVE too. So freedom of press is an issue sometimes.

I personally dont see this as news. I knew it would happen and it happened before and it will continue to happen. All parties involved use different ways to provoke each other...... sometimes unethical ways.... sometimes rules are bent for specific reasons. Yes we should know about them.... but should we react to them emotionally etc?? no I dont think so. The Taliban will use anythin they can get their hands on thats left over from the battlefield against their enemy to ambush them etc.

The same happens on the other side....they sometimes use provokative means and hit below the belt in a way.

WS.

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