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Old 10-02-2008
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Eight months for murder.

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A US soldier has been jailed for eight months after admitting playing a part in the killings of four Iraqi men in April 2007.

BBC NEWS | World | Americas | US soldier jailed for Iraq deaths
Wuterich will be laughing his socks off.

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In the largest case, eight marines were originally charged in connection with the deaths of 24 Iraqi civilians in the town of Haditha, in Anbar province, on 19 November 2005.

Only one marine - Sgt Frank Wuterich - still faces charges in relation to the incident. He will be tried on nine counts of voluntary manslaughter later this year.
So will all the other murderers and rapists.
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Old 10-02-2008
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Re: Eight months for murder.

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He pleaded guilty to being an accessory to murder, in a deal that will see him testify against members of his unit.

Three soldiers have been charged with murder in connection with the case.
Plea bargain, moon! Or did you happen to miss that little piece of information?
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Re: Eight months for murder.

Plea bargains stink. They're a travesty of justice.
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Old 10-02-2008
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Re: Eight months for murder.

Moon, at least this case was adjudicated and is available to you via free press, something your Hezbollah buds don't trifle with for murdering Lebanese civilians for example.
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Re: Eight months for murder.

The topic, unless I'm mistaken, is American murderers and the inadequacies of the US military judicial system.
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Old 10-02-2008
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Re: Eight months for murder.

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The topic, unless I'm mistaken, is American murderers and the inadequacies of the US military judicial system.
Can it be American murderers and the adequacies of the US Military judicial system? Plea bargaining with Soldiers who didn't actually kill anyone so they will testify against the one or two Soldiers actually responsible for the planning and execution of the killings seems smart.
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No, it doesn't. It results in the perps clubbing together to elect a patsy.

Then the patsy demonstrates that he's the patsy and walks.
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No, it doesn't. It results in the perps clubbing together to elect a patsy.
The patsies being the highest ranking Non-Commissioned Officers involved in the killings? That's the wrong direction for patsies.
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Who cares, as long as there's a patsy who walks ? The plea bargainers have already walked , the victims are dead/raped, why make any more fuss ?

Eight months for murder. Thinkaboudit.
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Who cares, as long as there's a patsy who walks ? The plea bargainers have already walked , the victims are dead/raped, why make any more fuss ?

Eight months for murder. Thinkaboudit.
The inadequate United States Military judicial system seems to care, as they are continuing to prosecute the Non-Commissioned Officers responsible for the murders. If that's all you want to focus on is the Soldier who takes an 8 month jail sentence, so be it. But enough fuss will be made to prosecute the remaining defendants.
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The topic, unless I'm mistaken, is American murderers and the inadequacies of the US military judicial system.
Obviously, you're going to view it inadequate unless the guy is disemboweled in a public spectacle.
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Re: Eight months for murder.

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Plea bargains stink. They're a travesty of justice.
Without plea bargains, we'd have to increase the size (and expense) of the judiciary 10-fold.
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Re: Eight months for murder.

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Eight months for murder.
Correction: The charge was manslaughter. He got eight months for manslaughter.

You might be ceremonially charging him with murder in the public arena, Moon... but the court charged him with manslaughter. If you have evidence that the military did not have, you should report it.

I know this runs counter to your "eye for an eye" or "Tit for Tat" sense of justice.... but our justice system is more complicated than that tenet.
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Re: Eight months for murder.

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Obviously, you're going to view it inadequate unless the guy is disemboweled in a public spectacle.
His victims might as well have been.

We have been creating, and are still creating, a whole generation that hates our guts. We can talk about Freedom and Democracy to a fare thee well but the fact remains that we are killing thousands upon thousands of people and most of them have brothers, sisters, wives, even friends who will now want as many of us dead as they can kill until their dying day. All you guys like the Bible so much, try this one, "...when you sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind." (or something like that)
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Re: Eight months for murder.

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Correction: The charge was manslaughter. He got eight months for manslaughter.

You might be ceremonially charging him with murder in the public arena, Moon... but the court charged him with manslaughter. If you have evidence that the military did not have, you should report it.
He was found guilty of accessory to murder, not manslaughter. He didn't kill anyone.

Hence the plea bargain. It's directed at Moon, not you, but that is the point. He didn't kill anyone. He also didn't blow the whistle on those who did and for that he is, and was found by an appropriate court, guilty.
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