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Old 10-14-2008
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Re: Religious conversion in Iraq - use a Koran? Nah, bombs and AK-47s

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I wonder how many victims of christianity's Inquisition there were then ? More than the Nazi holocaust ? Is there an Islamic equivalent to the horrors of the christian Inquisition ?

And will Bush ever reflect upon his complicities with torture as 'non-evangelical methods' ?
it seems to me every day is an 'islamic inquisition.'
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Re: Religious conversion in Iraq - use a Koran? Nah, bombs and AK-47s

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If this is some attempt to justfy the current use of rifles and bombs to convert citizens to Islam, it fails miserably.
No, it isn't an attempt to justify any coercions by force, it's simply another hypocrisy meter. Don't forget, America is currently the world leader in torture justification. Having Americans complain about other people's coercion techniques is grade A hypocrisy.
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Re: Religious conversion in Iraq - use a Koran? Nah, bombs and AK-47s

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Si Modo;


No, it isn't an attempt to justify any coercions by force, it's simply another hypocrisy meter. Don't forget, America is currently the world leader in torture justification. Having Americans complain about other people's coercion techniques is grade A hypocrisy.
It's almost is hypocritical as a Hezbollah and Hamas cheerleader complaining about war crimes, then?

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Re: Religious conversion in Iraq - use a Koran? Nah, bombs and AK-47s

Interesting to see their take on this, when Islam is quite explicit that there is "no coercion in religion."
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Re: Religious conversion in Iraq - use a Koran? Nah, bombs and AK-47s

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Interesting to see their take on this, when Islam is quite explicit that there is "no coercion in religion."
Those were the earlier Suras. The later ones state quiet clearly that it is fine to kill the infidels or to subjugate them.
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Those were the earlier Suras. The later ones state quiet clearly that it is fine to kill the infidels or to subjugate them.
There is a difference between killing and subjugation and coercion to convert.
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Re: Religious conversion in Iraq - use a Koran? Nah, bombs and AK-47s

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There is a difference between killing and subjugation and coercion to convert.
Are you saying that killing and subjugation are okay?
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Are you saying that killing and subjugation are okay?
Where would you get that idea?
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Re: Religious conversion in Iraq - use a Koran? Nah, bombs and AK-47s

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Where would you get that idea?
Sorry. my bad. It's just that there is coercion in Islam. Lot of it. The dhimmi system is designed to make it difficult and dangerous to be a non Muslim. It's explicitly stated that Pagans should be killed.
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Re: Religious conversion in Iraq - use a Koran? Nah, bombs and AK-47s

"What AbOut the PAlestinains, ?! Muslims are Oppressed by the Zionists!!" - --
--Angry Islamist rant Justifying terrorism.

You know what would shut them up?


"What about the Coptic, Sudanese, Iraqi, Iranian, Syrian Christians!?!"


Christians should become nationalistic like the Muslims. Oh that would be fun..


"Muslims are in guantomno bay, because they oppress Christians oversees, Muslims are harrassed by FBI because they oppress christians oversees.. "

Just as islamists justify suicide bombing.
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"What AbOut the PAlestinains, ?! Muslims are Oppressed by the Zionists!!" - --
--Angry Islamist rant Justifying terrorism.

You know what would shut them up?

"What about the Coptic, Sudanese, Iraqi, Iranian, Syrian Christians!?!"

Christians should become nationalistic like the Muslims. Oh that would be fun..

"Muslims are in guantomno bay, because they oppress Christians oversees, Muslims are harrassed by FBI because they oppress christians oversees.. "

Just as islamists justify suicide bombing.
This is really, really scary. I think he has a point. I too would love to see Christians throughout the world get as pissy about their co-religionists being oppressed by Muslims as the Muslims do about their co-religionists.
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Re: Religious conversion in Iraq - use a Koran? Nah, bombs and AK-47s

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Sorry. my bad. It's just that there is coercion in Islam. Lot of it. The dhimmi system is designed to make it difficult and dangerous to be a non Muslim. It's explicitly stated that Pagans should be killed.

Yes, and they can change their mind off and on whether a Christian is a 'people of the book' or a Pagan. Some say that it only refers to Christians that don't believe in that trinity.. which is pretty much everyone besides some Americanized protestant beliefs like some Apostolics and pentacostals..
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Re: Religious conversion in Iraq - use a Koran? Nah, bombs and AK-47s

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Yes, and they can change their mind off and on whether a Christian is a 'people of the book' or a Pagan. Some say that it only refers to Christians that don't believe in that trinity.. which is pretty much everyone besides some Americanized protestant beliefs like some Apostolics and pentacostals..
I was always taught that it referred to Mushrik, who are generally taken to mean Pagans, but technically mean anyone who makes anyone/anything into a partner with god.
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Re: Religious conversion in Iraq - use a Koran? Nah, bombs and AK-47s

I've noticed that as Muhammad grew older, his revelations became more and more violent. Thus the discrepancy. There are both passages promoting conversion, and passages promoting the extermination of infidels (particularly pagans).
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Re: Religious conversion in Iraq - use a Koran? Nah, bombs and AK-47s

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Same old same old same old out of the religious zealots of the religion of peace

but remember there is no threat from terrorists, none ! bushco made it up
Bush didn't make it up, he hyped it up and then blew it up to the point where it's difficult to recognize.
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