Meaning what peasant?

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232 years ago, this is who we were. . .
"A republic, if you can keep it." ~ Benjamin Franklin, upon leaving the Constitutional Convention, in answer to "What have we got?"

232 years later, this is what we have become. . .
http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/war-...a-we-rule.html

At long last, have you no sense of decency sir? Shameful.

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232 years ago, this is who we were. . .
"A republic, if you can keep it." ~ Benjamin Franklin, upon leaving the Constitutional Convention, in answer to "What have we got?"

232 years later, this is what we have become. . .
http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/war-...a-we-rule.html

The only way to win in Afghanistan is to get the people to recognise what their best interest is. Us or the Taliban.

It's not clear at this point that Obama or his advisors have the answer to that problem. More troops are part of the solution, but not the solution itself. I have much more faith in Gen. Petraeus than in Obama. I hope the hell Obama listens to him, but I kind of doubt he will.

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Andy
Cynical Optimist

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"Say what you want about GWB -- history will record he kept us safe by leading with a radical domestic plan (Patriot Act, Gitmo, warrantless seaches, eavesdropping, banking, ect, ect) and an even more radical foreign policy: the Bush Doctrine. The advance of democracy".

The strategy of those pitted against us has unfortunately worked. Once the 9/11 plan had been exiecuted and some skirmishes employed all that had to be done was to wait and watch us destroy ourselves. There is no need for our enemy to do much more than have patience. The best we can do IMO is to create an acceptable stalemate and use a tourniquit to stop the hemorrhage.

nothing radical about that, its about a two hundred year status quo in western history.

the american presence in iraq is based on the same delusional pretenses of spreading progress as the french and british presence in the ME as well as the far east, in some cases over a hundred years ago.

dream on luke.

to assume that no iraq or afgan war would have meant another attack, you would be lacking something called evidence.

to assume that the reason you are safe is because of good ole bush is a see what you wanna see thing. Truth is, more americans have died at the hands of radicals since 9-11 than during it, in the form of military personnel. You should thank them, not bush.

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Aaaayyyy!!! You be just about the most rational pirate ay've ever encountered.

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“The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."-Sarah Palin, not having a clue once again about what she is talking about.

Whether you would like to face the fact that Iran has been quite unreasonable for decades or not is irrelevant to the fact that this administration has succeeded in opening any offical channels with Iran since 1978. Thus, your stating, over and over, that we will start having official diplomatic relations with Iran is disingenuous, at best; it certainly makes it no more true than the first time you tried to say it.

No one can predict what kind of president Bush will be seen as in say 50 years. Saying that historians will claim that his policies kept us safe makes about as much sense as saying that Bush will be seen as the "worst president ever".


I think it is every leader's dream to be seen as a great leader and person once he/she has left office. I assume that is Obama's dream as well. After all, if there is any single person who is most able to influence the World, it would be the President. Atleast for the sake of his own public image, he will try his hardest to make the best of his presidency. What I wonder is if in time, his desire to influence will become an insuppressible need to influence. A president who clings to power at all costs is no good to us.

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